TransFormers IDWverse

Discussion in 'Transformers Comics Discussion' started by cgibsonREX, Oct 31, 2008.

  1. Omnius

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    So the likes of Stormbringer/Infiltration etc have a stronger sense of storyline due to the lack of colours? :p 
     
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    Based on that logic, they should hurry up and get Megatron: Origin released as a "manga." :p 

    Anyways, based on all the AHM talk here's an honest question for everyone... What would you like to see IDW do about the continuity issue? Should they set everyone straight about the stuff that was left unfinished in Furman's run, and still stay with the events of AHM? Or would you like them to call this whole thing their "alternate universe" gimmick and go back to how it was?

    Myself, I'd like to see a new arc that picks up where Verity and Jimmy's story left off, and nicely clue it into the AHM continuity as best they can - It won't be perfect, but there's already been too many changes with the retcon so they should just soldier on with what they've got and try to salvage it.
     
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    Didn't Dreamwave do Magna sized volumes for some of their runs, and weren't they still in color too?

    I declare wtf, but then retract that seeing as how IDW hasn't put out any Manga-ish books since Infiltration/Stormbringer/The Gathering.
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    Actually I quite dig the 'alternate universe' idea - Spotlight: Mirage showed a parallel universe where the Autobots were on the brink of ultimate defeat, setting AHM in that continuity might not be such a bad idea, especially in light of the 'hint' re: the Autobot traitor. OP's recovery might need some explaining though.
     
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    I'd rather they just call AHM an alternate universe like originally planned, and let Furman finish his damn story.
     
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    Any attempt at fixing all the issues AHM would be appreciated, but I don't know how they could do it.

    How could they plausibly show that Optimus Prime's Deactivation and the Decepticons conquering New York City somehow adds up to galaxy-wide conquest for the Decepticons?
    Seriously -not possible in the IDW continuity that I've been reading. They just ruined it.
     
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    That's it in my case. Simon's a great guy but I certainly don't shy away from criticizing stuff of his that I feel didn't work. And I maintain that his writing almost always suffers in miniseries scenarios (which is another reason why I liked IDW having its own ground-up ongoing continuity).

    And yeah, liking them or not, I'm also kinda miffed that the human characters got curbed without much of a resolution (so far). Looking forward to seeing if Maximum Dinobots solves that. :D 
     
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    There is tones of great art out there that does not need color to look good. However I think this is more about keeping costs down with less ink and cheaper paper
     
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    You know, it's funny. I checked in on here to see if it was time to give AHM a chance, since I didn't like the first couple issues, and to see if IDW had made any sort of about-face on the changes. And here was this fun thread to greet me.

    I had never read any TF comics before the IDW stuff, and only knew Furman by reputation, so I don't think I can really be a "fanboy". But, as others have said, I liked the writing, and I'm irked that it was cut short. I'll be picking up Maximum Dinobots, and nothing else, until IDW shows that they give a damn about story continuity.
    Then he's an idiot. If someone has an emotional reaction to your work, good or bad, you can't argue with the reader to change that. You might convince him of something after the fact (though probably not), but nothing changes the fact that the reader had that reaction, RIGHT THEN, when he was reading the work. Did the reader miss the subtext? Take something out of context? Not understand a character's motivation? Tough. You should have put those things more readily apparent. Fiction that requires glossing to appreciate is crappy fiction.

    The only real choices are to either decide to ignore the critic, or take his criticisms into account to make yourself better. In fact, that emotional reaction is probably the purest, most effective criticism you're ever going to get. He should be lapping this up, making his next work better. Instead he's apparently trying to convince people that they're reading wrong or something.

    I'll tell you a secret: all criticisms are personal. If I say something as innocent as "I don't like the color of shirt you've worn today", it's still a criticism of you, because YOU chose to wear it. Moving into something as personal as beloved hobbies or works of fiction makes it all the more a personal criticism.

    So where's the line? When I decide that the fault is so severe that it's pushed such and such person into the category of being a bad person, has nothing good to contribute, or is or not worth knowing. Usually people express this with something much more crude, in the form of "Furman sucks" or "McCarthy sucks". What people mean is that they've disliked something he's produced so much that there's probably nothing he could make that they would like.

    If this bothers you, it might mean that you're a good guy, with a broadness of spirit that allows you to deal with things from people that you really dislike, but still be friends with the person, enjoy him for who he is, or appreciate his other works of fiction. That's awesome. But that's never going to come through when you respond with anger. Show that you're tolerant by being tolerant. You'll impress other people, and might even gain a few converts with your example. But nobody ever changes, really changes, because they've been yelled at.
     
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    Man, Transformers in black & white irks me... I can never tell who is who!
     
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    I have a hard time telling what the hell is going on in Megs: Origin WITH colour :p 
     
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    Hey guys. I've never posted in this forum, but...

    On occasion the transformers websites staff sometimes interview simon, or idw staff etc. I really wish I could ask one (or both) of them if it would be a good idea just to let Simon write up some text based stuff to finish off any lingering story lines. It's gotta be cheaper to produce text only, and I'm sure simon could wrap things up nicely and neatly, and appease all of us upset with this reboot.
     
  13. cgibsonREX

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    Thats a similar suggection Ive made but more along the lines of the: More Than Meets The Eye or Beast Wars Sorce Book guides.
     
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    Furman said on his blog update for Spotlight Sideswipe that he's keeping his cards close to his chest for the day he gets a chance to use those ideas he had for the Expansion.
     
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    IDW really isn't planning on getting rid of Shame McCarthy anytime soon. Ryall just announced their SuperAwesomeWeeabooSamuraiSpiderGuy is getting his own Spotlight issue next year.
     
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    If you keep McCarthy on the recent/Earth stuff and Furman on the universal/Cybertron stuff, I dont think there should be anymore problems. I notice Furman is good at that Sci-Fi stuff (mostly thats because its his job) But as cheesy as some of the lines are in AHM McCarthy's stuff reads off more realistic.
     
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    I believe Furman did that very thing with his G2 storyline when the comic was cancelled years ago (Albeit, the canonicity of that is debatable), so it wouldn't be impossible to see a text-only story... But if Furman's words are true and editorial are going to make sure everything ties together, then there shouldn't be any trouble putting everything into comic form at some point in the future.
     
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    Realistic? The closest I've ever had to interest in the US armed forces is reading GIJoe comics and I'm aware that there's no Wing Commander rank in the US Air Force, and that pilots aren't allowed to have facial hair, and that colonels and sergeants can't hit CIA agents and get away with it.
    I don't see how those things make it realistic.
     
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    :lol  realistic.
     
  20. cgibsonREX

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    Its a comic SON, like the concept of TransFormers or GIJoe is believable....most of the stuff you listed is just nitpicking, the avrage person doesent even know that kind'a thing, cause I sure in the hell didnt, maybe thats cause I work in medical who knows.

    But anyhow this is not "our" world so maybe the rules are different, or maybe its not that big of a deal. Its all for entertainment its not a refrence on whats its like to be in the AirForce.

    The point I was making is that McCarthy's writing reads more like a movie while Furman is obviously a comic style. And I dont think hitting a CIA agent while being invaded by giant alien robots is a big deal, but thats just me. So long as the story flows and reads well is my only concern.