Yeah as lets fair only Daredevil and Punisher were universally beloved, with JJ only S1 was beloved while the rest of her show and the others shows had mixed to negative reactions And yeah the pandemic did a number, given alot of the films they were meant to tie into were supposed to release closer, like WV was meant to be Dec 2020/Jan 2021, followed by MoM in May 2021, Ms. Marvel was June 2022, followed by The Marvels in November 2022 and while Ant-Man 3 never had an official date prior to its Feb 2023 release, the film was originally expect for 2022, so there would've a 1 year gap between that and Loki instead of 2
What I loved about the Netflix Marvel stuff is they did a good job making you feel you were in the confines of New York City. And even though it wasn't an unlimited budget you can tell they were getting everything they could get out of it. Some of the Dinsey+ shows just feel cheap, the writing isn't there, and the episodes are way too short, which basically is the same case as their non-Marvel shows. I think it is definitely a Disney issue. It is Marvel Studios, I'm expecting this to look a feel like high-end HBO stuff 100% of the time, but they can't seem to pull it off. I didin't hate Ant-Man 3, but I think they were trying to fit too much into the story. They had 5 different heroes they were trying to give time too. There were times I think the movie needed to slow down, but it couldn't because there were a lot of beats it had to hit. There is stuff I really like Post-Endgame though (WandaVision, Dr. Strange 2, Loki 1), I don't think all is lost, and I'm all in once the X-men get here. MCU is missing Cap and Ironman, and FF and X-men can fill that void.
Glad others believe the same thing I do: Spoiler Ant-Man and Wasp ended up in a different universe at the end of the movie, one that's been prepared by Kang to pacify Scott's nagging conscience that not everything is okay. That means Hank and Co may be completely different people (possibly Skrulls) and is a quiet set up for Secret Invasion. This seems almost correct since the price of coffee went WAY up, everyone is extra congratulatory to Ant-Man and there's more green/purple colors imbedded into the scenery.[/quote]
mind blown I legit never pondered this[/QUOTE] Haha! Usually I think fan theories are silly/foolish but I like this one.
Because Ultron was wasted on a single movie and yet was still a better villain than anyone from phase 3?
*Looks back on all the phase 1-3 movies I hated and made fun of in light of phase 4 onwards* Perhaps I treated you too harshly…
For the Serious vs Comedy takes on MODOK, an interview with screenwriter Jeff Loveness Ant-Man 3 Writer Responds to MCU Fans Wanting a Serious MODOK: 'Good Luck'
As much as the approach of Phase 4 deserves to be shit on, when you look at the general reception, there still seems to be more good than bad. WandaVision encaptured the world in the dead of COVID and was mostly well regarded until the end. Falcon was seen as solid until the end. Loki is still popular. Black Widow generally seen as meh-okay What If was hit and Miss. Shang Chi is well regarded besides the CGI climax Eternals was bad NWH was acclaimed Hawkeye seems liked enough Moon Knight seems popular Multiverse seems mid for reception Ms. Marvel was well regarded Love and Thunder is divisive leaning towards bad She Hulk was super divisive leaning towards people hating it. Wakanda was well received Werewolf seems well received Guardians holiday special is okay That’s leaning more positive than negative. Still a lot wrong of course but I don’t but the narrative that the MCU is over and completely sucks now.
I agree, while i won't deny that the MCU quality has dipped, i still think we've gotten a plenty of good MCU projects. Just that given how amazing Phase 3 was, that put some high expectation for what phases 4 onwards are gonna be
Plus they skipped some of the best comic stories and characters to go to the characters and story arcs that didn't sell well.
I remember a lot of concern over Phase II as well. That had Iron Man 3 (I liked but poorly received), Thor Dark World (generally regarded as the worst movie till Eternals), Winter Soldier (awesome), Guardians (awesome), Age of Ultron (worst of the 4 Avengers films), and Ant-Man (mostly considered meh). And folks generally forget that Phase I has Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, and Thor, a three movie run that was at best meh.
Yeah basically we are back to where we were are the start of the MCU where most movies have gotten some so-so, meh, okay reception, with the occassional win. from 2008-2015, we only had 4 well received movies, it wasn't until Phase 3 that we had a more consistent winning streak
We know dont know if Iger ordered them, for all we know it was Feige If anything, i think Iger played more of an part in the decision to start slowing down how much content they put each year
Iger basically kept most of the things Chapek had planned going. Much of this was things Chapek had talked about in the previous investors call before Iger conveniently came back. Not that he ever really left. Though Chapek was said to be in charge for less than a year. Iger stayed on as an adviser and even kept his office from when he was CEO. It almost looked as if Iger had this planned.He retired right before the fallout of his previous initiatives came to light. And pretty much a week or two before COVID. Then Chapek has no time to implement his own plans and has to deal with the fallout. When he finally starts to try to make changes (right after being rehired for 3 more years) suddenly they vote him out and Iger is suddenly back less than a year later. So now Chapek gets 3 years of pay without having to work and Iger gets a convenient scapegoat to blame all the previous issues he was probably the cause of in the first place on. Either way the company lost over 2 billion last year and they need to do something. Basically what happened is everyone saw Netflix was making money on streaming and rushed to make their own service. This extremely fragmented the market. Where as previously you could find most of the olds shows or movies you wanted to watch on Netflix, Hulu, or Amazon Prime, now there were another 5 streaming services or more on top of that at rather than the say $200 or so a year to have two services and see most of what you wanted, suddenly it would cost 600 or more a year and that still wouldn’t cover everything. There usually was only one or two shows per network people wanted to see and there were months of content gaps between those shows. So many people started service hopping every few months. Now none of them are making as much as Netflix and Hulu did back in the day, and people are dropping most of them now that inflation has hit. Much of the exclusive content is falling flat and they have diluted things so much people don’t think most of them are worth the money or effort. So now there isn’t enough money to cover all their content, viewership is dropping, and all the bank bills are coming due. So pretty much every streaming company is cutting back and making drastic decisions on content and pricing. We will likely see some major changes in a couple years but, they can’t change what they already planned and filmed in most cases unless the cancel and write it off like the Batgirl movie. So we will likely have to groan through another two years of things like Rings of Power and Halo before studios have time to re-adjust. Time will tell if this will be better or worse and which companies remain standing from now he fallout of the streaming wars.
