Boiling it down to that, it just now comes down to subjective taste... Which brings me back around to my original point in that Legacy Arcee wasn't a great leading design for that concept, because despite how the individual feels about the figure now, it was negatively received by the majority, which left a stigma on expectations within this concept of all these aesthetic re-imaginings.
Yeah fair... she certainly was a controversial figure. There biggest mistake was having the first three reimagined figs be a mid figure (Arcee). a retool (KO), and a figure that probably shouldn't have been labeled an update in the first place (BH). If Skyquake n Prowl were the first ones the responses would've been much, much more positive.
I'm not sure that's true, the only reason Skyquake and Prowl skew more closely to their original toys is that Arcee, Bulkhead and Knock Out caused such a visceral reaction. If Skyquake was released first, he'd be a Seeker repaint.
What? No. I was saying the figures that exist right now were the first of the updates they'd be better received.
It wouldn't be perfect, however do we see him being redone as Override (the Triggerbot, not the one we just got)?
I fail to see how that means anything . Prowl's og toy from 14 years ago nailed the transformation on the first try and all they had to do was take what was there and adjust the proportions accordingly so everything can fit.
To be fair, did we actually get confirmation of this? In that the early feedback effected these designs? I would've assumed Skyquake had already been in final production at that time. [EDIT] We did!
Why do they feel the need to g1-ify these designs? I mean the design is fine, just feels.like Hasbro is still hell bent on catering to g1 fans.
This guy looks great, even if the bike mode isn't as clean as the original. I do find it funny we've gotten two ninja bike bots in the span of a year lol Very hyped for this guy & Prime next year. Fingers crossed that we're also getting Lockdown this year. I really hope we're getting either a big leader or a commander Megatron next year. One of my biggest regrets growing up (in terms of collecting) was never being able to get that original leader Megatron. I'd love to rectify that mistake, and I'd love to have a Megatron in my current collection that's actually big & imposing. I think if any Megatron should be that, it should be Animated Megs.
Mark just confirmed the other day that Skyquake got a redesign due to the early feedback; he posted Marcelo's original concept as well as his complete revision and they're pretty different.
Because that’s what they are doing. Or rather, they’re redesigning them to be inline with the aesthetic, gimmicks and scale introduced in Siege. It’s why you’ll get Skyquake as a leader. In years past he’d be a voyager, but the scale demands something bigger, despite him not being a massive selling name like Megatron, It does surprise me when people continue to complain, with Legacy, ‘why update, the original is great’. Because deluxe animated Prowl isn’t fitting on a display with deluxe Earthrise Sunstreaker, they’re two different aesthetics. I know a lot of transformers collectors don’t care for robot scale, I mean, most, if not all toy lines prior to WFC and Studio Series never really cared about scale of the robots. But personally I much proper a coherent scale and design style, especially as someone who only got back into buying transformers recently. If you have all those original figures it’s easier to have them in separate displays, but as a recent collector it lets me add characters like Bulkhead from my childhood in with the iconic original versions of Optimus. I dunno, the ‘G1-ifying’ of these characters really excites me, and brings endless possibilities. I’d love them to do movie characters. Stinger, Blackout, Bonecrusher, the Fallen, even Lockdown. Would love that so much
They're trying to create a semi-cohesive look, so that the figures look good in a collection. Evan said as much in the last livestream. It hurts the figure to look too distinct from everyone else in the line because folks are more likely to skip it since "It doesn't fit" with the entire collection. This is why Legacy/Evolution figures stick to the scale created in WFC, Hasbro wants folks to continue to build on the collection they started in WFC. It's why we're getting stuff like Skids and the Insecticons-- characters that totally would have fit into WFC. It's about keeping things going. Hasbro isn't creating a mini-Animated collection or mini-Prime collection, They're making a Generations Collection. And they wisely (IMO) chose to make sorta cohesive aesthetic with it. They are all getting G1-ified because it has the strongest brand identity. Everything is getting G1-ified. Everything sprang from that. Some of this G1-ifying is less apparent because those characters didn't stick too far out from the G1 look to begin with.
Perhaps if DNA Design finally gets around to doing Legacy Deluxes and Voyagers. Or another upgrade company I suppose. It would be nice to get both tires on the arms this time. I personally would love to see Megatron, either form. Such a great design, not to mention one I really think would look beautiful in the standard CHUG aesthetic. The original toys weren’t the best, and I don’t need something particularly accurate stylistically as much as I want the same design traits carried over. I’d also love to see an Animated-inspired Strika, which I would be totally cool with seeing a more Legacy Prime Bulkhead-style redesign. I just want a nice bulky Strika that captures her look well enough. I don’t even really think of it as G1ifying as much as “CHUGifying.” CHUG is pretty stylistically neutral, even from G1, taking liberties with more or less any character from any continuity. It just happens to be the case that the art styles of G1, the Unicron Trilogy, IDW, Beast Wars, etc. are all far more stylistically neutral than, say, Animated or Prime. The goal of CHUG isn’t the goal of Studio Series, making perfectly accurate recreations of on-screen appearances; the goal is to take characters from different parts of the Transformers franchise and homogenize them into one coherent style. People mistake a neutral style in the toylines to prioritizing “Geewun,” but all it’s really doing is prioritizing consistency. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of Prime and Animated stuff would not fit on a shelf with G1, Beast Wars, and the Unicron Trilogy because they’re so stylistically different. Hell, we’re even seeing now with Pretenders (a G1 thing) that they’re willing to take some drastic liberties with the designs to keep them consistent with the rest of the line. It also explains as to why Animated stuff gets more faithful redesigns than Prime stuff. Animated was designed closely with toy makers and thus most characters were given dedicated transformation schemes that explained what went where and why, which is why it’s so easy to just destylize them and still have them work as toys. Prime, on the other hand, went for the nowadays more common design strategy of slapping vehicle parts where they look cool and not giving much more thought to how they transform beyond that, which is why we’re looking at more radical redesigns when it comes to them. And personally I love what they’re doing. It allows me to buy a lot of figures and put them up on a shelf together and see them all look great side by side. And most importantly, they’re keeping what makes them special and unique.
i feel like this is the way to go with bringing in characters (lugnut please) from animated and prime, and i'm kinda sad these are the only 2 molds of which we know are happening this year, unless that EV prime turns out to be the rumoured Beast Hunters optimus from way back when
About Legacy Bulkhead: I do take him as G1 Bulkhead. Full stop. The designers even said that was what they were doing. Works great for me since that's exactly what I wanted and saves me from having to do a custom. About Legacy Arcee: I find there is something missing from the discussion. She was clearly also designed as a pretool for Road Rocket and has some of his features as well. Plus they were also trying to make her be a G1 Bike Arcee at the same time. To me that means she is a compromised design. They were trying to make one toy be too many things at the same time. As for me, I'm customizing mine into Junkion Nancy so my brain can comfortably ignore her being a giant motorcycle sitting next to my car bots. About Legacy Prowl: Prowl is a good compare and contrast for Legacy Arcee. He is a very similar design but without all the extra baggage. He isn't trying to be a pretool nor G1-full-stop. That being said, I always felt there was something off about the design. At first I thought they maybe tried making him too much like the TFA design with too many curves, but that doesn't track. But then I figured it out when I read the BTS. They specifically included a lot of "smooth paneling", which means they left out a lot of detailing which other WFC/Legacy figures have. That was not the right call IMHO. That is what makes him seem off. About Legacy Skyquake: This is basically a perfect G1-ification. Full stop.
