Rise of the Beasts Expectations Thread

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  1. Mglaighton120

    Mglaighton120 Well-Known Member

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    I have a feeling the movie won’t be the worst thing ever made like some people think it will be, but it also won’t really be anything special. I don’t really expect anything masterful story-wise when it comes to transformers, but I’d at least like to see some cool and creative stylistic choices. Say what you will about the bay films, but those movies have style, and Michael bay’s voice is very present. No disrespect to Steven Caple Jr, but I’m just not feeling a distinct style with his movie, it just feels like a basic sort of action film. I really hope I’m wrong though by the time the movie comes out.
     
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  2. Music

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    There will always be someone who doesn't like something. That's the nature of us all having different personalities, desires, and opinions. Even with Bumblebee, there were some complaints like Blitzwing or rushed Cybertron designs, but the overall aura was way more positive. I honestly don't recall so many fans actually looking forward to a TF movie sequel. Well, it lasted until Lorenzo opened his mouth and started talking about introducing Bayhem in the sequel and whatever.

    There won't ever be a movie that will satisfy everyone's desires because it would be impossible to do so. Still, they should aim to please the majority of viewers. I feel like Bumblebee did that in some ways. From what we've seen and what we know so far, ROTB doesn't seem to be trending in that direction.
     
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  3. RazorX3000

    RazorX3000 Cybertronian Monkey

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    Ironically, I believe they at least did try and do just that. They've gone on record saying ROTB takes what worked best with BBM and merges it with what worked with the Bay films (like the action and spectacle combined with the heart and character of BBM), so as to please fans of both sides of the coin. Yes, the plot leaks don't sound the greatest and they've butchered Wheeljack and Prime's designs, as well as there being other issues, but at it's core, I think it will deliver on having at least some heart and character and lots of action. It could of course have both of these things and still turn out shit.
     
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    I only crave personality for the Cybertronians.
     
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  5. octobotimus

    octobotimus Bad company ruins good morals

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    There is color on the robots yes, but everything else has a brown desaturated filter on it, like the forest isn’t vibrant green, or how the sky isn’t a vibrant blue but a dull grey-ish blue. it feels like that civil war era MCU coloring where you had characters with vibrant suits, but everything around them was dull grey and uninteresting to look at. Lighting and properly coloring a movie does a lot.
     
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  6. Autobot Burnout

    Autobot Burnout ...and I'll whisper "No."

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    And that's the problem - we don't know what they think was what "worked best" with BBM. In fact, the idea of even having any kind of focus on spectacle again should be of concern since that was what Paramount thought people only wanted with the previous films, as evidenced by what we've seen of what looks to be the final battle with a bunch of robots charging at each other. It's great for something like envisioning the size of a conflict, like any time two armies are fighting in Lord of the Rings, but it also kind of diminishes it since ultimately the scope of the battle doesn't matter. With ROTB, you have a dozen or so good guys vs a horde of generics...and the good guys are going to win, we already know this, but since there are SO MANY bad guys this accelerates the power creep much to the detriment of trying to build anything off of this. After all, if a dozen good guys can fight off a bazillion bad guys, how the hell were the Autobots LOSING the war? Bumblebee starts off with the Autobots getting swamped by numbers even though individually the Bots are kicking ass, forcing them to evacuate off Cybertron, illustrating that the Autobots were good soldiers but were NOT going to cut through a numbers disadvantage like a hot knife through butter. Bumblebee barely defeats the three major Decepticons in his film; Blitzwing blown up by his own missile shoved inside him, Dropkick ripped apart from the chain turning him inside out,and Shatter crushed by sheer physical weight against a surface that was stronger than her physical frame - none of them done by simply overwhelming the enemy through sheer physical combat prowess which is what ultimately happened in the Bay films after the first film. That's when you got stupid shit even as early as ROTF where Devestator sucks Mudflap into the Grinder Vortex...and Mudflap literally pops up out of Devestator's face five seconds later perfectly alive.
     
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  7. RazorX3000

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    How they handled Devestator in ROTF was so unbelievably stupid. But yeah, having a big generic army isn't really good at all. It may make for cool action scenes of seeing the good guys take out enemies in style (even then I'm assuming that's what they'll do, maybe they'll just boringly shoot/slice them all). I really would've preferred if it was as simple as Scourge and the Terrorcons inside the big structure thing trying to summon Unicron, and the bots and maximals bust in to stop them. Then we can see how powerful the Terrorcons truly are as they hold off nine good guys and maybe even kill/severely injure a couple of them. But oh well, here's hoping the final battle at least looks cool. Also, that would be a nice change of pace from the Bay films where the good guys are always the ones outnumbered. This time we could've seen the bad guys be outnumbered.
     
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  8. Autobot Burnout

    Autobot Burnout ...and I'll whisper "No."

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    Wasn't that AoE?
     
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  9. RazorX3000

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    Well at first they were, I suppose. Since it was just Lockdown, Galvatron, and Stinger. But then they get the vehicon army lol
     
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    So three named badguys and a horde of generics...remind me what we think the set-up for ROTB's final battle was? Three named bad guys and a horde of generics, maybe with some robot scorpions or something?
     
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  11. DocSeth81

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    honestly i have no expectations at all. Just 2 hours of mindless entertainment. Nothing life shattering. I hope there is some reference to Charlie and Memo but I doubt that will happen. Looking forward to see Pete Davidson's mirage
     
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  12. RazorX3000

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    Similar but still quite different. For AOE, once the vehicon army was unleashed it was really just Hound and Bee vs the army while the rest of the bots got the dinobots and arrived to kill them all. Then it led into Prime vs Lockdown. For ROTB, it at least seems like an actual war (although minus an army for the good guys) and all the bots seem to be fighting alongside each other unlike in AOE where they were separated.
     
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  13. JayEm

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    Same. I find the narrative that the Bay films have done nothing but harm to the franchise/are worthless to be highly disingenuous. I think we can all agree that all of the films have their faults, but they made Transformers mainstream and grew the fandom in a big way. I’m glad they exist.
     
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    ….So why did they run straight to unicron with the second film in this continuity?

    It would be nice if this small Autobot group went against a small con group and built up to the major bad guys…

    perhaps Starscream and some other recognizable cons come to earth to finish what Shatter and DK failed at…maybe throw hints that Megs is coming or something

    It seems like the plot for the next movie following BB would’ve been incredibly obvious….?

    but it seems like they went a little too far forward

    also the beast wars characters seem very random o_O …. I love beast wars but I’m just not sure why they’re there….
     
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    So I just realized Energon is 2004... boy, that feels like the show happen in around 99-00, not 3 years before the movie...

    I am old.

    Call me an elitist, call me gatekeeping, but personally I feel that becoming "mainstream" is a bad thing, not just for TF, but for any fanbase. The bigger the fanbase, the harder it is to filter the cancerous fans (or very hating... haters.)
     
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    That was funny tho
     
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    Autobot Burnout ...and I'll whisper "No."

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    Indeed, in this case I really would call it a Faustian bargain, since for all the success and 'new blood' the movies brought in, there wasn't any of that by TLK.
     
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    The solution can be a bit tricky to put into practice: gatekeeping itself isn't a bad thing and like a bodies immune system it can protect the hobby from hostile invaders. But too much gatekeeping can prevent people with a genuine interest in the hobby out, which would be bad. In my experience it's usually the lack of gatekeeping that leads to issues because especially when a thing becomes mainstream there's a lot of new people to account for and the unfortunate reality is that some people suck. This was something the MLP fanbase had to deal with with the meteoric popularity of FIM.

    Becoming popular / mainstream also often leads to the hobby / IP itself becoming homogenized in an effort to appeal to more people, which often leads to a lot of its identity being stripped away all for the sake of making it digestible for the most people. That means if your hobby is particularly complicated or intricate over the years they'll make it easier and easier to make sure the newbies don't feel alienated / intimidated, even if that means stripping away the good parts of a thing.
     
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    I dunno, this is a pretty modestly populated forum and we have our share of cancerous fans here, so I'm not so certain size has much to do with it. What 'haters' are brought in by Transformers being more mainstream?

    Most franchises have ebbs and flows, and the Bayverse happened to exhaust itself after 4 very successful entries. It happens in movie franchises, and we're moving on with new movies that are taking a different approach. We have a Movieverse Toy Appreciation thread here that is 5,600 pages and counting and has been going strong for 10+ years, so the movie-enjoying community is still very much alive and well.
     
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