Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny

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  1. dinobot1

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    Hmm, Roman times... I wonder if they're trying to get the nails from the cross... aren't they supposed to have some kind of mystical, occult power?
     
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    According to rumors/leaks this is more akin to Crystal Skull sci-fi than the original trilogy's metaphysical aspects.
     
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    Sci-Fi? Again?
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    Yeah, the name "Dial of Destiny" isn't exactly encouraging, since the only relevance that name has that I can think of is that it's actually some kind of Sundial.

    A literal ancient clock.
     
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    I'd honestly be shocked if didn't suck if what my buddy claims is true. Supposedly he was talking with some friends in LA years ago and one of them introduced him to a guy who was a grunt at Lucasfilm. The concept moved to Indiana Jones because my friend loved the original trilogy, and he started spitballing ideas for the recently announced fifth one. Atlantis, El Dorado, Belovodye, or something from Eastern legends. Dude looked uncomfortably at my friend and said that they were that they were trying to avoid religious propaganda this time. :lol 
     
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    So bringing back Nazi's outside the 1940's is a-okay, but we sure don't want to offend religious groups. Got it.
     
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    I don’t recall any religious groups being offended at the Indy films.
     
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    Excuses, they are full of them these days.
     
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    I don't think it's so much anybody complained about Indiana as it is Disney's modern day views.

    Plus they kind of got publicly called out over Maui from Moana because he had cultural imagery on his body as tattoos and I think it was a big issue that Disney didn't ask permission to do that.

    So, they don't want to use any actual ancient myths lest the potentially offend anyone.
     
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    I had forgotten about that nonsense
     
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    Temple of Doom was banned in India for its inaccurate depiction of Hindu culture and the heroic depiction of English colonizers.
     
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    You know, I was thinking earlier about how the second wave of rumors for this movie were about the Die Glocke, the supposed Nazi spaceship.

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    Those rumors were “debunked”, but consider our main antagonist was a Nazi brought into Nasa during Operation Paperclip, and that he is attempting to travel back in time to “fix” things… Kinda sounds like the Die Glocke might be the device used to achieve all of this. He could have been the one who originally worked on it.


    IIRC, in some theories/myths, the Die Glocke can travel through time as well, so it seems kinda like a no brainer.
     
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    Which was stupid because Indy was dealing with a particular cult, not the entire culture.
     
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    So, new 4chan leak of the details which seems to be holding to everything said so far and...well, Crystal Skull legitimately is more true to Indiana Jones since the sci-fi bullshit didn't really occur until the final act, if even half of the rumor leak is true this time around.

    Allegedly, it's time travel shoved into what I guess could be described as the distant cousin of 'Wolfenstien: The New Order' and 'Man in the High Castle' with some 'Back to the Future II' thrown in, where the Dial is more or less functionally the same as the Sports Almanac.

    Obviously, it's just a rumor but the fact time travel consistently is always the key element in every rumor to date, that part I think we can believe is 100% true at this point and it's the Dial of Destiny that accomplishes this.
     
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    If we are to believe that a young Indiana Jones while traveling with his father met loads of famous characters I don't see why it's so hard to believe Sci-Fi would be a huge part of the franchise set during the 50s and 60s because Science Fiction was a large part of historical events, I mean it drove the space race.

    Granted the Crystal Skull Aliens were not space travelers per-se, however it certainly isn't odd to see this sort of thing happening.

    That being said, I would have hoped they'd at least avoid going back to the Nazis as antagonists. Granted the Russians weren't any better, but at least they were period accurate.
     
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    Where's the sense of adventure into ancient ruins and magical lore, though? It's sounding more and more that Indy 5 is just some romp through time trying to fight Nazis instead of an actual journey into mystical legend. There weren't even any Nazis in Temple of Doom. From the newest plot leak, you could effectively remove anything to do with Indiana Jones and it legitimately sounds more like a knockoff of the plot of Wolfenstien: The New Order than something in the vein of say, Uncharted or Tomb Raider.
     
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    I haven't seen the leaks, but I will grant you, Indiana Jones was always more about ancient history than your average Flash Gordon style Serial.

    I think the problem is that the folks writing these things these days just don't get it, it's the same problem whenever Doctor Who tries to do a historical adventure. People have problems in writing accurate historical facts, and archeology is all about hunting for lost artifacts.

    National Treasure was more akin to Indiana Jones than Crystal Skull did.
     
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    The biggest thing is that if they wanted to do another Indiana Jones movie, especially with the idea that this would be Ford passing on the torch, they already had the groundwork set up with his son from Crystal Skull. Sure, the movie was shit and Shia Labeouf is...Shia Labeouf, but the idea that Indy had a son itself isn't bad. Just recast Mutt and have them go to Brazil to find the Fountain of Youth or something, only to have to race against Josef Mengele (who was in Brazil from 1960 to his death by drowning in 1973) and his band of Nazi sympathizers. Then have the Fountain be destroyed because eternal life isn't exactly that great a thing (maybe in a cruel twist of irony, Mengele is drowned in the fountain too) and the last scene is a tired Indy about to hang his hat up...but then he hands it over to Mutt.

    Like, it took me five minutes to come up with that (most of it looking up on Wikipedia where Mengele died) and that hits every major possible thing that a good Indy film should have, no sci-fi, even has Nazis without time travel, and it lets Indy rest in peace while simultaneously passing the torch onto a younger version of himself (who was literally a product of a previous adventure it could be said). With Indy 5, its like the only thing anybody on the project really remembered was that Indy fights the Nazis given they tended to die rather gruesomely (the muscle guy into the plane propellers AND the opening of the Ark in Raiders, and of course what happens when the bad guy drinks from the chalice in Crusade).
     
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