Walked into target and found him along with a surprisingly well stocked transformers section. Would have picked up skullgrin and dead end too if they weren’t already in the mail from amazon

 

I wish my Walmarts were that quality. All I've seen since Wave 1 is Blitzwing

 

"3rd party proves it's possible" almost never actually does....

 

I don't wanna see a 3rd Party vs Offical war again, so I'm removing myself from this conversation

 

Sorry. I wasn't trying to be so contentious about it. Mostly just observing that they're really two different things, and that what works for a 3rd party toy seldom actually means that it could ever be done by Hasbro.

 

Your right that Newage’s Cassettes come in a $70 pack. But the reason they do is because there are three of them with a mini-Masterpiece Soundwave.


The Newage Cassettes are a fraction of the size of the official Cassettes, and make up a fraction of the cost in the set they are included it. Because other Newage figures the same size as Soundwave all cost the same as Soundwave. So it might almost be more fitting to say they don’t even factor into the cost at all.


For $10, elbows on SS Rumble are possible.

 

What makes you think Newage doesn't have budget constraints?

 

Not with the transformation scheme 86 Rumble uses. The designer himself confirmed this, there's really no arguing with that.

 

also has elbows

 

I don’t want to call the designer a liar, but the arguement that elbows aren’t possible do to the transformation kinda falls apart when you realize that the arms do nothing for Transformation.

The hands fold into the lower arm. Thats it.

You know what other figure has hands that fold in and is the same size?

Also has elbows.

 

Hands on those don't fold 180 degrees.

SS86 Rumble's hands fold partially into where the elbows would be.

Newage Rumble's hands don't fold in at all.

Different engineering goals result in different constraints. There's no comparison to be made when they all do things entirely differently.

 

When 3rd party can produce something in the same scale for the same price, I will listen....

 

Exactly. The designers had a budget. There was no room in that budget for elbows. Hasbro knows a third party kit will come out and the people who really want elbows will buy them.

 

Look at the inside of the arms with the fists folded in. They occupy part of the space that would be needed for an elbow joint. Call the designer a liar if you wish, you're still wrong. There's no room for an elbow joint with the way the hands fold into the arms

 

Then maybe it should have share engineering with Siege Rumble and had hands that only collapse partly. So that way room for an elbow joint would be there and the figure would not be compromised.

 

Then it would have had the same problem as the Siege mold with proportions because the legs would have to transform like the Siege mold so that there'd be space for the fists to fit into, so it'd still be compromised.

 

On todays episode of random username online accused hasbro of lying and claims to know more about designing figures then they do

 

I see your point, and that happens. But you shouldn’t assume I know nothing about the design process behind these figures.


I know more about designing figures then you would think, and I know how absolutely hard it is. I’ve worked on a few hardcore kitbashes and made designs of my own.

Granted, these aren’t engineered from the ground up by me, but they did have to be re-engineered slightly to function properly, and let me tell you that is no simple feat. Transfomers are designed only with enough tolerance for their design. Adding anything to that required a good deal of change. I’ve done other projects but I mostly stopped posting them after people started posting them on Reddit claiming them as their own.


I really wish I had a high quality 3D printer and a decent computer so I could model and print most of these designs. Recently, I bought a GI Joe scaled vehicle based on a M25 Dragon Wagon with plans to use it and several other donor figures to create a Joe scale WWII Optimus Prime, and if I had a 3D printer I’d be doing the same, too.


And speaking of 3D printing. I would not be surprised if after some time, someone makes proper arms for Rumble.

 

I never said you know nothing, I said know more than the hasbro designers. Which since you do have some knowledge you especially shouldn’t be accusing them of lying or saying it could’ve been done differently etc.

 

I think the problem is really plastic quality, rigidity and assembly accuracy. Hasbro is working within the limits of the plastic durability and assembly acumen. Sure they could design double joints everywhere, but that would result in many quality issues down the line, examples include the recent Micromasters where most of the figures fell apart when you tried to pose or transform them.