When it came to Action Masters, untransformable is exactly what it meant.
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Not my definition, but Hasbro’s.

That was, believe it or not, the gimmick.

 

In fiction Action Masters are just transformers who guzzle nucleon some of them don't even lose there alt mode.

 

Were they still called ‘Action Masters’?

If Noththing happened, then what distinguished them as Action Masters?

 

You are 1,000,000% wrong

The entire concept of the actionmaster line was that the primary figure was untransformable and more of an action figure like GI Joes

What fiction are you referring to?
Did you read the marvel G1 comics

when Grimlock became a actionmaster he was no longer able to transform






Even the g1 toy commercial tell us they are giving up the ability to transform when they become action masters

 

Well, there were a few who could transform, the Action Master Elite. But those were an exception.

In Marvel Action Masters came to be due to an infusion with Nucleon. But no one was affected the same. Of course, Marvel was cut short so we never saw this, but in RG1 we do see different results. But are those also Action Masters?

I think I agree with you that save for a few exceptions, in general an Action Master cannot transform. The Nucleon made them more powerful by providing them with a very energetic energy source (like constantly pumping nitrogen gas into your engine) and made their bodies work to an optimum level, but it came at the cost of transformation.

But before they became Action Masters, they were regular TF's. And as such they once could transform. So I interpret this topic along the lines of what they once transformed into, before they lost this ability.

 

If the characters that were action master originals were de-action mastered, so just regual transformers, what do you think they would turn into?

 

Rollout: a BMC VURAN with a mounted multi-barrel rocket launcher would suit his "blow shit up ask questions never" personality pretty well.

Rad: smooth futuristic supercar.

Jackpot: he has a Jazz redeco, but I think I'd give him A FIAT 500 like Lupin III's.

Treadshot: he has a Warpath redeco and, given his name, a tank fits him pretty well.

Mainframe: probably some static tool for analysis, similar to Perceptor's alt mode.

Krok: it just makes sense for him to turn into a crocodile or anything that is big and has sharp teeth.

Banzai-Tron: he's had some Transforming toys, but I think I'd go with a mean-looking black Acura NSX with green lines painted on.

Skyfall: an extremely manoeuverable stealth fighter jet, like a Sukhoi Su-57.

Kick-Off: with a name as snappy as his, a sports car is the perfect choice.

Charger: a stock car, like the Wreckers from DOTM, with a mounted flamethrower straight out of Mad Max.

Circuit: a motorbike quiet enough for his spying missions and fast enough to get out of trouble.

Rumbler: a Hummer like a Bureko 6x6.

Slicer: a weaponized muscle car with retractable spinning blade arms.

You think Action Masters is a toyline inherently doomed to fail in a franchise titled Transformers, or they could be given a second chance?

 

Europe and Australasia according to TFwiki. And you know that the UK is only a small part of Europe, right?

 

Yeah I know but sometimes as a matter of shorthand I mistakenly say only the UK

 

I think Banzai-Tron should transform into a Japanese racing-type motorcycle.

 

They had nucleon powers

 

And lost the power to transform
It was the driving point of the line it’s first year

 

Yeah I already know that, to be honest I only said all of that horri-bulshit to keep this thread alive and hey it worked didn't it.

 

I guess it did lol

 

What the hell does Charger - Transformers Wiki turn into? A dinosaur?!

 

Incorrect. The in-fiction exposition (meant to push the toy gimmick) in the marvel comic was that when you take enough nucleon to make yourself an action master, you lose your ability to transform (they called it mode-lock and sometimes it took a little while depending on how long it took for the nucleon to take effect). You'd still look the same (the dinobots still have dinobits, Prowl still had wheels, etc.) but you can no longer transform. The one exception I think is Optimus Prime, who showed up in his Action Master body at the very end of the Marvel G1 series, but I don't believe he was ever explicitly referred to as an Action Master, and he didn't change bodies the same way (nucleon was involved, but he merged with his powermaster partner, rebuilt by The Last Autobot). I don't think we see him transform, but we don't see him say he can't either.

They used this concept again in the IDW 2019 reboot (that Nucleon supercharges you but prolonged use leads to mode-lock).

In other universes (earlier IDW comics, UT), Nucleon doesn't make cybertronians into an Action Master (stronger! faster! more alive!) or otherwise different from a regular cybertronian, its just another energy substance like Energon. At most it gets treated as more dangerous / unhealthy than Energon.

Don't do that.

His bio seems to draw a lot from G1 Slag, but I don't think so (he merges with his partner beast to look more dinosaurian, though). He's got what appears to be headlights on his chest, air vents on his arms, guns in the centre of his torso and a fairly streamlined/blocky profile with no visible wheels or treads, so maybe he'd turn into some kind of flamethrower hovertank or APC.

 

Why did you start talking about something I did a long time ago? And yeah I guess flamethrower hover tank works for Charger.

 

Krok, I thought, was a submarine.

 

That’s not completely accurate either as Grimlock lost his wings (Dino chest fold back parts) And his dino head

I also don’t agree that it was only the Neculon that caused the change for everyone in the comics As none of the other characters seem to go through anything at all except for grimlock

Any of the other changes with other characters didn’t really seem to take place until the last auto bot resurrected them all again at which point Prowl looks physically different, more like his action master figure ….He had no wheels and no wings

I didn’t know that

 

That's true, they had slightly different bodies to match their toys, more streamlined, less greebly. But not all of them? More on that later. More accurate to say you'd retain aesthetic elements of your alt-mode (prior alt-mode? Presumably they still had an alt-mode, they just couldn't shift to it) in your action master robot mode.

The implication seems pretty clear that it's the nucleon that robs you of your ability to transform/turns you to an action master. When they introduce it they say it can bring new life, but has dangerous side effects (madness, aggressive behavior), and that they don't know what it will do to cybertronians. Grimlock starts seizing up first, but I don't think the other autobots awoken look that different when they first come to in the fight against Unicron (of course, Geoff Senior takes some liberties with his art). I think Wildman starts drawing some of them differently in the following issues though (I don't recall the differences being acknowledged or being explained), so maybe it's not really meant to be a physical transformation except in Grimlock's case. When he freezes, he thinks its the nucleon that did it, and Hi-Q seems to believe that when he accelerates Grimlock's metamorphosis, that at the same time the nucleon accelerates his own. He says the mode-lock is the price for this new power (again, from the nucleon, which he says later on).

Because I missed that the post was from back in November (I haven't been following this thread). Sorry about that. Bumping an old thread with new and relevant content is the right way to do it.