TITAN Changers Optimus Primal

Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by TFtoycollector, Aug 20, 2022.

  1. jackgaughan

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    Please for the love of god have some self awareness about this hobby, no one is saying this is good because it's new. "Hive Mindset" this is how a supervillain talks.
     
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  2. Nevermore

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    "Hive mindset" is what people tell themselves to feel better when they realize everyone else is disagreeing with them.
     
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    Yes, 30 year old low articulation gimmick toys from when you were a kid.

    Right, modern low articulation gimmick toys now that you're an adult.

    I am begging people to learn what Evergreen is.
     
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  4. WishfulThinking

    WishfulThinking The world has moved on...we've always said.

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    I've come up with the term for 3 sided plastic parts with one exposed side as ESP, Exposed Single Part. It's more accurate than claiming parts are hollow because all parts are technically hollow.
     
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    Standing up and moving your gorilla hat is not a transformation
     
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    Alpha/Bravo Class Beast Wars characters when…?
     
  7. WishfulThinking

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    I'm just not a fan of this attitude. Some adults, like me, like the modern low articulation gimmick toys. One-steps, for instance, can be fabulous for several reasons, such as:

    1. They make great desk bots.
    2. They transform the way you wanted bots to transform as a kid - quick change like on the shows. The nostalgia can hit hard.
    3. Some are excellent to fiddle around with - near fidget spinner level like the butterfly knife transformations.
    4. Some are better scaled to the rest of the cast.
    5. Sometimes, it's the only way to get certain characters.

    Sometimes, the hands just want something that can be configured in about 4-6 steps that you're not afraid to break. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. The Cyber Battalion guys (aside from Bumblebee) are some of the best chonky figures out there, despite the lack of knees on a couple of them.

    Titan Changers, like this Primal, aren't going to light up the room. But they can be fun to just mess around with. Some of them are actually kind of good for the money, for when they were in the $10-12 range. I really dig Megatron and Grimlock, the latter of which they managed to impressively incorporate a lever to open and close the dino jaw.
     
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    If this Primal sells well enough, probably sooner than later.

    Oh, yeah. I'm not including all of us in this. I love the little desk bot guys (especially Botbots) and they're also fantastic ways for me to give my kids Transformers when they show interest but aren't ready for the more complex stuff on my shelves.

    I'm likely going to end up grabbing that Gator Megs rescue bot if it shows up stateside, because I love these guys getting some love with the younger lines.
     
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    This looks like the stuff 6-9 yr old me would beg for, just before going on family vacay.

    I\'d bring it to the pool, to the beach, it\'d be a conversation piece amongst the other kids, and our TF fantasies would go wild. Pew-pew-kablamo.

    Y\'all whingers need to rethink your life\'s priorities. This is fun AF, and for kids the bigger the better.
     
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    Seems pointless.. transformers toys from every era and price point have those.
     
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    They do. But by naming them, we can quantify them - as in, "This older figure has two ESP versus this modern deluxe which has six."

    It's at least much better than saying "all modern toys are hollow" or "hollow part syndrome", which is dumb because all Transformers ever have had hollow parts. The hitch is the kind of hollow parts being used and how they're being utilized.

    For instance, Armada Demolisher has four notable ESPs, predominantly in his legs and two of which are notable in tank mode. Siege Sideswipe also has four notable ESPs, two in his thighs and two in his forearms (the latter are intentional in order to fold in the fists). In this case, I'd say Demolisher was the worse offender as Sideswipe does a better job of covering these up.
     
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    I mean, older Transformers didn't have any but then they also were bricks with like three points of articulation...often counting the transformation joints that doubled as shoulders. Trying to make this "A Thing" just feels like creating yet another pointless metric people will take completely out of context to complain about something.
     
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    I agree with how pointless the new term is, but all transformers have empty spaces in parts, going all the way back to G1 Optimus Prime’s thighs.

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    Also, concerning other things, I’m not saying there aren’t some bad hollow spaces on modern figure. Siege Ironhide is a bad offender on that. But with modern price point restraints, you’d get a smaller figure if those hollow spaces were reduced. If you want all solid pieces, you have to go with more expensive price points than some adult fans are comfortable with. Look at how many people complain about how Rodimus and Override are “overpriced”.

    If fans demand figures at the same price as they’re used to paying, with no open or “hollow” spaces, then they are also demanding smaller, simpler bricks without realizing it.

    Then we have stuff like this and other evergreen figures, where the whole idea of the toy is to get it to be a cool size, and to be playable at an attractive price for the target market, which has its own design concessions that have to be made.

    Would Hasbro designers love to make big, solid figures with great articulation and cool transformations? Absolutely, every transformer designer wants to do that. Hasbro and Takara both want to do that. But it’s not financially possible in this day and age. People also pretend that it’s a problem unique to Hasbro, even though we can look at things like the Transformers Go combiners and see that those things, despite being Japan-only, are actually more full of hollow spaces and awkward engineering and designs than anything Hasbro had on the market for main line at the time.

    And as far as “cheap” plastic? No. Still gonna disagree with that. There are different plastic types for different things. What might feel “cheap” is not necessarily going to actually be cheap. There are a few plastic types, like the nylon commonly used for guns currently that is chosen strictly for durability purposes that fans label as “cheap” when it’s actually just a smarter choice considering what it’s going to be used for. With regards to astrotrain’s guns, those required their own mold (with parts of the accessory car) to produce since they weren’t put on any of the molds the main figure uses. Adding an additional mold is not cheap.
     
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  14. WishfulThinking

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    It's a metric that's already being used but in vague, inaccurate terms, though. If someone is going to complain about it, they should at least complain in a concrete way rather than in formless scuttlebutt.

    LEGO has names for certain parts. So can we.
     
  15. MagicM621

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    No trying to start a debate abput ROTB but if you look at he maximal symbol, it\'s the same one we saw on the primal face mask not long ago.
     
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    True but it’s also the same on of the boxes for Kingdom.
     
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    could this be that license stuff hasbro did a while back.
     
  18. Beastwarsfan95

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    I bet they put more R&D into that render than the actual toy.
     
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    No, these are Hasbro products. The licensing stuff is for companies that aren't Hasbro but want to make Transformers stuff.
     
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    This is why I suspect this was a ROTB toy and that render is from ROTB itself, or at least a concept from ROTB. It’s like how back in the day, leaks started showing way too many toys for Megatron in the then-upcoming ROTF line to say he was just getting a new toy and wasn’t in the movie.