So supposedly, according to this video, at some point they were going to use the "I AM YOUR FATHER" twist from Toy Story 2. However, the video doesn't seem to go into much detail about what the nature of that twist was and how it would have fit into the story. Apparently, Sox was at some point going to be a robot monkey instead of a cat. None of the Zurg concept art makes use of the familiar cloak and cape the original wore. Anyway, apparently they changed the twist because they felt it was too obvious. But I'll be honest...I kind of want to see that version of the twist. What could have happened that turned Buzz's father into Zurg, into someone that hates everything Star Command stands for and wants to see it destroyed?
I’m sure some of it is presumably out of some desire to show the world isn’t black and white. Movies like Encanto, Turning Red, Soul, have shown that personal and family issues can be compelling sources of drama in their own right. It’s fine to do stories without outright villains, but this is still coming from the studios that did villains like Maleficent, Scar, Frollo, Lotso, Syndrome. You can even do a compelling mix between villain and family drama like Ernesto de la Cruz. Yes he was an antagonist who started everything and needed to be stopped, but the issues Hector caused by leaving were the biggest issues, and things weren’t fully resolved until Miguel finally healed Mama Coco and the rest of the family. They just don’t want to put the work into making compelling villains anymore. Shan-Yu as you mentioned is actually in my opinion not a very deep villain, and honestly he doesn’t have to be. He was still really intimidating, really cool, and most of the story was about Mulan’s search for acceptance and improving herself anyway. He was just the opponent to defeat. And he worked. You can have a bad guy who’s just there to be a bad guy and still make it work in the wider story, not every bad guy necessarily has to be as complex or deep as Thanos or Kilmonger. This is a movie that is supposedly an equal to Star Wars in its universe, but the villain is so lacking I find that hard to believe. This is no Vader, or even the Zurg from Toy Story 2 or the cartoon. He was more intimidating in the former and he wasn’t even an actual threat there. It’s such a meta thing, but everything about this feels so corporate mandated. Cast Chris Evans as the iconic hero character, put a cute animal sidekick to make funny jokes, have a villain voiced by the father of the actor who played the definitive villain of an entire generation. It feels so underhanded. I still freaking love Sox though. I admit they did him right.
Watched this as well. I loved the 1st three Toy Stories. So this is not in continuity of those with Zurg? I've been out of the loop for awhile. It would have been ok in its own right, but it didn't feel like a Toy Story movie. Otherwise, meh, nothing special here for me.
The film exists as a real film in the Toy Story universe and it inspired Andy. It’s like the Gray Ghost being the show that Bruce Wayne loved in Batman: The Animated Series. Unfortunately, a lot of problems come from this. One of them being that things in the movie wouldn’t be allowed in 1995.
There's that, and the fact that movie gains...Nothing from the idea that it's a film within the Toy Story universe. It's not even brought up beyond the framing text at the beginning, you could literally remove it and nothing changes about the movie. It's better served as it's own thing and can stand just fine on it's own merits.
I don't understand it either. The classic Disney villains are practically a brand on their own at this point, much like the Princesses. For a company known for creating such charming and iconic bad guys, it's weird that most of the villains in recent years are rather lame twist villains. Like @Chopperface said, they probably don't want to portray the world as too black and white. In real-life there aren't really moustache twirling bad guys as cartoonishly evil as Captain Hook...people just make bad decisions as a result of their life experiences. And pretty much everyone in real-life thinks they're the good guy. I get wanting to make fictional villains reflect a more realistic perspective, but they could still make the villains charming and find more creative ideas than twist villains. Thanos is a good example of a somewhat morally complex villain who still feels like a classic bad guy. Even characters like Gorr, Kylo Ren, and Wanda in Dr. Strange 2 fit that. So there's definitely a place for that sort of villains nowadays. I could easily picture, say, a modern Peter Pan that adds more backstory and sympathy to Captain Hook, while still retaining his charming larger-than-life personality.
I'm enjoying this movie, but I disagree with the opening prompts. This would not be the movie to inspire the toy line that Buzz is from. I very much believe this is some Bay/Nolan-esque reboot film made off of the more cartoony sci-fi adeventure of Buzz Light of Star Command films that inspired the tv series and toys.
I recently watched Lightyear and I was pleasantly surprised. I'm not a diehard Toy Story fan and while I enjoy the movies, I am not concerned with lore or continuity discrepancies between Lightyear and Toy Story. I went into this viewing experience with a clear slate as far as expectations and I was rewarded for it. It's a solid story in an animated feature format. I didn't expect the level of dramatic narrative that was incorporated into the story. I enjoyed the darker and more somber subjects that the story touches upon such as obsession, however well intentioned, is not a good thing. As they say, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. I liked the motley crew that Buzz found himself a part of. My main criticism is that the last act of the movie felt a bit rushed but not terribly so. My view may certainly change, one way or another, upon my inevitable revisit to the movie. And obviously, Sox is the greatest.
I need some recommendation and there is no where I can go, because this is basically the only topic about Buzz Lightyear. Do any of you recommend a Disney Store Buzz Lightyear for a 1 year old? I'm planning on getting one for my 1 year old Nephew for Christmas. It has lots of buttons he can push. But the box says 3+ and I'm afraid of the Choking hazard.
Yep, it doesn’t seem like the film Andy would go crazy for. I found it a little dark. Although, I mostly liked it. Did not like the villain. One thing that’s not addressed is that Zurg has kept the inhabitants terrified in a siege for a week. Sure, the focus is the couple, but the script also forgets that that’s not possibly the only coupe among the inhabitants. Everyone made their life there, but Buzz. Also, the reason for quitting the mission seemed a bit abrupt… and fishy. That’s never explored. As a stand-alone is fine. But, I doubt I’ll ever watch it again.
This is the kind of movie I will only watch once, it was mediocre. How does a lesbian couple in a remote planet happen to start a family?
There were men in the remote planet. Aside from the mention of it being a science crew who only took a year to find, mine, and process raw material to reconstruct their ship, build a test launching facility with a test ship, and construct residential buildings we may assume artificial insemination was available. Wouldn’t be surprise if Sox was also able to do that.
I just assumed, given all the significantly more fantastical sci-fi stuff, that they were able to artificially inseminate with a child who has the genetic material of both of his mothers. In a movie about hyper speed spaceflight and time dilation, and eventually straight up time travel, the idea of two women being able to have a biological child is not the least believable concept. Since it's not even dwelled on, we don't even know how their son came to be anyway, so all there is is speculation that's not even important to the plot of the film.
This is a movie within a movie that takes place in a universe where toys are alive, have some perspective. Also the Sox prop within in the movie is like actually alive right? I don't mean the character the in movie Lightyear, I mean in the metanarrative, y'feel me?
