Disclaimer: Not a Beast Machines bashing thread, but with EarthSpark being another Post-War series it got me thinking about wanting to see another take on a post-BW setting.

One change being they do succeed in getting Megatron back to Cybertron.

How to get beast modes involved on Cybertron: Cybertron has wildlife like turbofoxes and what not. So what if they went extinct during the Great War, but after 300 years of peace Cybetron/Primus decides to restore the wildlife to the planet. This causes issues as the populace needs to readjust to the wildlife. This does cause a boom in beast mode popularity.

Possible antagonists (aside from Megatron): Cryotek, The Tripredacus Council, the Vok (wanting revenge), and the Vehicons (this time as a beast former hate group).

Another change is we can alter the Beast Wars a bit since its the backstory now. We can do whatever we want with it like add the rest of the toy only/non-show characters to the casualties list or the survivors list.

 

Or you could just watch Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo and just forget Beast Machines.

Personally II was a bit of a chore, but Neo was a lot of fun.

 

This is what I did. I mean the plots aren't great like II, but I much rather have characterizations for the II and Neo toys vs watching BM. I didn't like BM at all.

 

I've always thought that the S4 ideas for BW were kinda interesting, even if it was just "BEAST WARS... IN SPAAACEEEE!"

 

2 and Neo take place after BM.

 

It's a 4-issue comic book miniseries called TRANSFORMERS: DEICIDE

 

Honestly I always found this kinda stupid, wouldn't it make more sense to just say BWII and Neo take place in an alternate universe where the Maximals actually got Megatron back to Cybertron safely?

 

II and Neo are so far in the future that it hardly matters if you include BM. Optimus Primal is the stuff of legends to the characters, like King Arthur to us. Sort of like Breath of the Wild’s placement in the Zelda timeline. Everything is so far in the past that it’s all just stories.

And if you include BM, Thousands of years is plenty of time to get the post-reformatting weed problem under control.  

 

Except Cybertron was reverted back by vector sigma according to official copyright comics which I just posted.

 

Which would fall under the umbrella of “getting the post-reformatting weed problem under control.”

And as I’ve said many times, those pack in comics are too obscure to be considered top tier canon material. It’d be like basing everything on the Tales of the Beast Hunters pack in stories or the Botcon comics. Sure, they’re official and therefore canon, but IMO there’s definitely a hierarchy for the sources. To my mind, they’re only relevant/valid in their own part of the TF Multiverse.

Out of curiosity, why do you put so much weight on those pack-in comics? Is it just because you like them (which is perfectly valid) or does it go deeper?

 

tbf it is JG1 where everything G1 made over there is canon (including Car Robots).

 

And? I never said it didn't.

OP asked for alternatives and I provided one. My post wasn't one to be quoted and corrected.

And like the above posted said, those pack in comics integral to canon? I mean I'm still trying to wrap around the Constructicons origins. People will be fine if they don't look at these comics.

 

The comics are a kind of postscript, written in part to market new toys (Big Blue) and then partly to reconcile the overly complicated continuity of the Japanese Generation 1 timeline.

That one is new to me, and it's cool seeing it all reconciled, but I don't feel like I've gained anything for reading that.

 

Everything approved by Hasbro is canon as well, but not everything has the same weight to it. I listed the "Tales of the Beast Hunters" stories (printed on TF Prime Beast Hunters instruction booklets) because it's one of the closest parallels to the pack-in manga he's always talking about. Another close counterpart would be the mini-comics that came with the Armada toys. They're canon, sure, but less important than the anime or the full comics from Dreamwave.

Ultimately, I reject the "everything is G1" stance that Takara takes (or at least used to take) because it makes everything far too convoluted. You just can't reconcile everything, so IMO Hasbro's multiverse approach is the more sensible one.

 

personally, i would've liked to see megatron face the wrath of the tripredacus council, killing them in the process and becoming the ruler of the predacons, attempting to restart the great war and the axalon crew being summoned back to cybertron to help thwart him.

maybe have some JG1 characters like deathsaurus challenge his leadership

 

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the power of the Retcon

Doesn’t matter if it wasn’t originally the case/plan

Japanese continuity

Not Licensed by Hasbro originally and I don’t believe they’ve done it since either

And if they ever do it’s yet another continuity

 

They are from an alternate universe

The Japanese G1 continuity is not the same as the Hasbro G1 continuity

And as it is we can’t be certain what G1 continuity is truly attached to Hasbros Beast Wars

 

A bit off topic but how do these obscure comics from conventions or something (I can't even wrap my head around this) work? As in, are the Hasbro licensed ones by intent, meant to be canon to the TV shows that came before them, or are using the TV show fiction as a base, but ultimately a separate universe from the TV show itself?

 

Basically, they're meant to give context to the convention exclusive toys. They're usually tied into prior mainstream media, but are in no way "required reading". You can skip them and not worry about missing anything in terms of continuity.

They can generally be considered a seperate universe from the show/comic/movie they draw from. Or you can consider it part of the series, if you like it and think it fits well. Transformers doesn't have - and never had - the tightest view on canon.

Everything is canon. At least in its own corner of the multiverse, as long it's approved by Hasbro/Takara.

A good discussion on the very loose take on canon can be found on the TFWiki page.

 

Thanks, was curious if there was an official stance on it, I believe most of the time there isn't. Some exceptions include say, the comic tie ins for the live action Transformers movies originally meant to also be in the same movie universe, though this was never acknowledged by the movie makers themselves.