Ya’ll realize that Superman is a hella broken and OP character right? I mean, hella, hella broken to the point that very few non-Kryptonite things can actually slow the guy down. It’s why he’s so “depowered” on this show because otherwise there would be no tension— every, single fight would be auto-win for the guy and that’s actually boring. I also think it’s why the show works- it revolves around a season long mystery that requires more then just punching and heat vision to solve. I’m enjoying the new season so far. I dug seeing Jordan in action during the last episode. Not a fan of how Natalie is being written and her unreasonable bouts of anger. She is a teenager but it’s like she forgets where she’s at and what’s going on.
Well they pulled a major bait and switch with the show in the finale in regards to it's place in the Arrowverse. Kind of annoying really since previous episodes (namely Diggle's season 1 appearance) implied that it was set on Earth Prime (even if it was a bit disconnected due to filming restrictions).
I'm glad it isn't on the Arroverse Earth. Just too many differences between S&L and AV earths to try to figure out to make it work.
Really, the biggest difference is the fortress of solitude (aside from the lack of other heroes). Any other differences could have been chalked up to Crisis on Infinite Earths changing things. The show can, and does, absolutely stand on it's own. It's just a bit of a bait and switch with having Diggle guest star in 2 episodes (one of which he directly references Oliver and the Multiverse, giving the implication that it's the Diggle from Arrow) along with Crisis setting up the twins.
Agreed. It was one of those things that didn't matter because the show stood on its own but was also disappointing because it was sorta teased/implied. It also reminds me that if the CW wanted to spend the money, they could produce higher quality content. (I won't debate on the quality of this show but I do think its not debatable that it has a bigger budget compared to other CW shows). Don't have much to say about the finale or the season other then it was something to watch when a new episode came on but my two favorite scenes in the finale were... Spoiler: Spoiler Superboy and Steel Girl team-up against Evil Superboy and Evil Superwoman. (We'll obviously ignore how quickly Natalie got into her suit and zipped over to help...) Superman grabbing Allston's hand, putting it on his chest and telling her to absorb more energy. She was such an obnoxious antagonist. Glad to see her in Superjail.
Boooy, so the second season and they already busted out the tired old "same powers but evil" enemy for a final villain? Then again, Flash didn't even wait one season for that. And then just repeated it almost every season. Did they even do Bizarro before this? Or they just wasted him in one episode, like how Supergirl did in the first season, killing off notable characters - many of whom were not even villains in the comics - every episode? (Thank goodness for Young Justice that actually did J'emm justice). Well, still could have been worse. They could have busted out the trump cards and done Zod right off the bat. EDIT: I just read season 1 synopsis, so nope, even season 1 had a kryptonian villain they just used Morgan Edge's name for him. Man CW is nothing but predictable. Guess that mean Zod for season 3, or another kryptonian villain because they are so bankrupt for ideas. (Btw, can anyone explain why the DOD or any Earth government would ever release a dangerous man from another universe who has the knowledge to build superweapons?) Honestly this is the same problem again as in CW's Supergirl. Superman should be the last of his kind, insomuch that him finding other Kryptonians should be a rare thing, and he would want to help them even if they are villainous. One of the best TAS episodes was when Superman releases Mala from the Phantom Zone thinking she was just misled by Zod/Jax-Ur and could be rehabilitated. It also makes fights against opponents who have the same powers as Superman momentous occasions where he has to use his wits and rely on his allies to come out on top. If you add these enemies every second episode, they soon become uninteresting. Gotta disagree with that. He has plenty weaknesses. First and foremost is his compassion, that he would not leave innocent bystanders to perish, and he even tries to save his enemies if he can. Most villains readily take advantage of that. Having recently watched all of Superman TAS again for the upteenth time (on the new BR release) you'll be surprised how kryptonite only comes up a few times. Plenty of other things can give Superman pause, such as magic, high voltage, things that drain his power like Parasite or red sun radiation, and most often, he is challenged by people who are either his equal in strength or there are a lot more of them... or sometimes, who are stronger than him, like the Prometheon, or Darkseid. You don't need to hobble Superman, you just need clever writing. If Paul Dini could make Toyman, a regular guy with explosives and clever traps a threat to Superman by simply planning ahead, so could other writers.
Thoughts on the finale and the season in general: Spoiler I wished that Lucy had some kind of active role in stopping Ally in order to redeem herself and bring her story full-circle. I'm trying to understand what the point of the character was, she believed she had this great life on Bizarro Earth, but when we finally get to see that world, we never met her doppelganger to understand why she felt that way. Am I reading too much into the fact that the government (Lana) told everyone to stay home, and in practically the next scene, the ENTIRE TOWN is wandering the streets anyway? Clark was worried about the sun killing him, all the while floating 6 feet away from it without oxygen. I know this wasn't going to happen, but when the Allys split up and started to fall, I just wanted them to hit the ground with a big CRUNCH Some people have said that splitting the two Earths with one punch was silly, but I thought it was FUN. Superman is a modern mythological hero, he should pull out a miracle every once in awhile. I was more worried that they were going to do the Superman II time-reversal again. I'm glad that Lana didn't take Kyle back. I don't hate the guy as much as I did at the start, but he still hasn't earned that. I don't feel like Chrissy earned the right to learn the secret, but that's more on the writers for saddling her with the second-worst plotline of the season (the first being Jonathan's). I hope Season 3 is better to both of them. Really bummed that this show isn't on Earth-Prime after all. (This feels like a more recent decision than they're letting on. There was supposed to be a Batwoman crossover before the pandemic hit, and the Flash showrunner approached Hoechlin for their "Armageddon" event as well.) It's looking like the Arrowverse is officially over once Flash drops the curtain next year. (I know there's that Diggle spinoff in development, but that doesn't sound interesting to me at all, even if it did get picked up.)
I haven't seen the finale yet, avoiding spoilers, but I will say I finally understand the complaints about Superman/Clark being a second-rate anything in his own show. Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with them building up the other characters and world-building, I think it's a great ensemble cast, but they're dropping the ball with Superman. He was far too weak this season. Don't get me wrong, there's no thrill if he has no challenge, but he's been sidelined most of the season, far more than he's actually done anything. It's, yeah, it sucks. Not great storytelling. They rely on that crutch far too often. Another problem? The breaks. I get that they have to pad the days so the season will stretch out and keep viewers coming back for more but it's not working. I have ZERO desire to watch anything else on the CW, and that's not changing. I'm getting so tired of the breaks (nearly whole months! Two of those! Plus the Olympics!) ... I'm genuinely surprised it's been renewed. (Last I heard.) I hope the finale is a good one. I'm getting tired of how it's handled as a show. Here we go... The season finale of Lewis & Clark: The Adventures Of Sacagawea. *crosses fingers*
I like that she knows. She is supposed to be partners with Lois but then have to just accept the lies Lois has to tell her to keep the secret, even when she can tell she is being lied to. I do wonder why they put BOTH Allys in the same cell. Seems, even if they don't have the power anymore, they'd want to keep them separated, just in case.
...I'm totally fine with the show being in its own pocket universe as that means its not burdened by being set in the same shared sandbox as the 7 other shows that preceded it.
It's just a cop out to do it this late in the game after Diggle mentioned the events of Crisis indirectly during his season 1 cameo. If anything, they could have used Ally merging the two worlds as a way of creating another new world that Superman & Lois could have taken place in from season 3 on.
I haven’t been watching lately but I have a question, Wouldn’t this be basically a soft reboot at the least? Because they already established this was Arrow earth.
They weren't that clear on it. Clark, Lois and Diggle (only 2 brief guest spots) are the same actors from the Arrowverse. That is what kept making me try to figure out how it fit. There were some events that clearly happened differently. They finally clarified that it isn't the same Earth as Arrowverse. This is its own continuity that doesn't require any watching of the other shows. That whole Crisis crossover was a huge pile of garbage, giving writers a way to retcon stuff out they screwed up. Although the other issue I still have (it is minor) is the geography. Smallville is in Kansas, and they have Metropolis within driving distance (within a few hours). Metropolis has been shown to normally be on the East Coast. Kansas is dead center of the country. 1500 miles away from the coast. Even if they said Metropolis is where Chicago is (saying the ocean looking feature is the Great Lakes), that is still quite a haul away from Kansas.
Not the first time that's been done in regards to Smallville and Metropolis. Smallville did it too when that was on the air. Lucy was also played by the same actress as in Supergirl and the recasting of Sam Lane and Morgan Edge was initially chalked up to the Crisis reboot.
I would say that’s pretty damn clear but even if you try to overlook that there’s still all the connections to Supergirl and the crisis episodes them selfs As someone pointed out, the Idea that some things were different started I believe with the twins but even the twin thing was mentioned still in the crisis episode…….And he just flew off to go home after that event as did everyone else I don’t care if they want to make a change to put themselves apart ,I think it’s actually a good idea, But I think they should just admit that they’re rebooting it to some degree Because the idea that it was going to be in a separate earth was certainly not the idea at the start and they didn’t play it as loose as they thought they did I don’t disagree with you there but didn’t they do the same thing in the Smallville TV series?
Yup Metropolis was VERY close to Smallville in Smallville. They could see it from the water tower. It annoyed me then as well.
It annoyed me at first also but at least there I actually liked the show a lot so I got over it pretty quick
Little history. Smallville and Metropolis used to be in the same state. Ohio specifically, as OG Metropolis was Cleveland and Toronto mushed together. Then Metropolis was moved to Delaware. Smallville wasn't moved to Kansas till the 80's (I think).
I don't specifically remember all the lore hints at where Smallville and Metropolis are, but I agree that "Smallville" and this show set them closer together than I like. Obviously the distance is trivial to Clark no matter what, but his leaving Smallville is supposed to be a major turning point, and it doesn't feel that way if Metropolis is close enough that normal people constantly make the trip without a care. There should be at least one state line in between them.
