I'm pretty sure that even in the heat of combat, Optimus wouldn't go out of his way to dismember his enemies and screamed words out like "you die," or "give me your face,". You don't see Captain America viciously dismembering his opponents and screaming "you die" when fighting against equally more vicious opponents. Also, rewatching the action scenes, it does look like he is just casually dismembering his enemies and viciously slaughtering them without remorse. Again, I know the Decepticons are supposed to be the enemy but don't have the moral character to stoop to their level of depravity and kill them the same way they would've killed him. Also, I wouldn't say that the Decepticons are hard to kill seeing how easy they are to kill.

 

It's the middle of a battle where its kill or be killed. Sorry if killing in the middle of a battle like that seems "casual". Optimus is the leader of a freaking army that is the underdog of a species near extinction. As I've stated before this isn't just a fit to protect the humans or stop Megatron's latest plans; it's a fight for survival. What Captain America would or wouldn't do doesn't really matter here. Besides I remember him tossing a guy into propeller blades that istantly turned him into a fine mist, probably more messed up than anything Movie Prime has done.

Look at the battle in DOTM where Prime swoops down with his jetpack. He quickly and efficiently takes out the Decepticons in his way and moves on. Shockwave proves tougher to take down but he does it fast too. Most of Prime's fights are like that. Sorry for him not feeling bad for killing the enemy that has had many chances to stop but yet keep going with wide scale murder, destruction, and enslavement and are actively trying to kill your friends and innocents.

Some Decepticons are stronger than others for sure, but characters like Megatron, Brawl, and Shockwave were very tough to take down.

 

'Tougher'? Shockwave's guy's eye fell out of his eye socket after a bunch of bullets fired by bullets hit him, wouldn't say that it was tougher.

There are many other ways to write Optimus not brutally killing his enemies like Jason Voorhees. Again, his character isn't real and there are so many other ways to make Optimus look less like a brutal maniac while killing his enemies. The Optimus Prime in the Bumblebee movie fired a few shots at some Decepticons and kept on moving, not going out of his way to knock someone's guts out and tearing their eye out. He also didn't shout "I'll kill you!" or "you die!" like an unhinged maniac. Firing a few shots is quick and painless and less psychotic than him tearing someone's head off with their spine circuits attacked.

Also, what I meant with the Captain America comparison is that you don't see him dismembering his enemies even in the heat of combat. Also, that guy who got killed by a propeller fell into the propeller by accident, its not like Cap grabbed him and toss his head into the propeller and scream "die" like an unhinged maniac.

 

So what if they do? I don't see how that's a problem.

 

Okay, let's say that your first exposure to Batman or Superman was BvS and you don't want anything else afterward or try to invest yourself in the wider lore of these characters in material like other movies or comics. You will go around thinking that Batman is a murderous vigilante who brands criminals and not a vigilante who swore his entire life not to kill criminals. Having him kill will make people think that he doesn't have a no-kill rule. Or that Superman is a dark and gloomy Superhero who is brooding all the time and not the altruistic and optimistic hero he is known as. People will just think that Superman is just a dark, brooding, dumb, hero who rams through buildings instead of taking his enemy out of the city and into a place where he can cause no further destruction.

Having an accurate representation of these characters matters. I don't want my friends to think that Transformers is all about big explosions and testicle shots. I don't want them to think that Optimus is a giant robotic serial killer, but a kind and hopeful leader who sees good in others. That Transformers can tell interesting stories about these giant robots at war. It's why I always recommend watching Bumblebee because that film is everything I want a TF movie to be about. It's why I recommend Bumblebee because it's a beautiful story and my favorite movie of all time.

 

I agree. At the end of the day the movies are mostly made to make more money for the company and they have gotten more people into the franchise as well.

 

The first movie was actually pretty decent and somewhat accurate in its depiction of Optimus. Unfortunately it immediately went down hill after that first movie.

 

Because these films do not exist in a vacuum. . And because there are iterations that exist before it. . .Better yet why should I care about the bayverse when they didn't care to make the audience care about the huge lack of motivation, characterization and compelling storytelling?

 

That's like saying the existence of parents has no bearing on the existence of the children they spawned. . .Illogical. . .

 

It’s not.
Wasn’t a problem for me going from a Batman that kills in a movie to a Batman that maims in a comic. And it wasn’t a problem for one of the other anti-Bay OP posters to go from the movies to the comics and toons.

 

I am 100% okay with that. If that's your Batman and Superman, then that is your Batman and Superman.

Transformers media aren't people, I cannot stress that enough. You are comparing apples and oranges.

That's the best part, you DON'T have to care about the Bayverse! You don't have to worry about how different Bayverse Optimus is from G1 Optimus! You actually are allowed to consume the media you want and only the media you want! The movies were never beholden to previous iterations, nor should they ever be. The movies are allowed to be their own thing just like Beast Wars, Unicron Trilogy, or Animated got to be.

 

Bro, he was being fired on by NEST, the Wreckers, and the rest of the Autobots once they arrived. Hell, he fired at Prime, had his side ruptured and was still going, all while his eye was dangling out. Yes I'd call him tougher.

*sigh* Optimus Prime is not like Jason Voorhees. When does he "knock someone's guts out"? Yes, he tore out Shockwave's eye but it was already dangling out by that point and likely came off as a weak spot to Prime that he took advantage of in the middle of battle. If you don't like him saying that sorta stuff thats all fine and good, it doesn't bother me personally.

The comparison with Bee Prime and your "tearing someone's head off with their spine circuits attached" example doesn't work. He only does that once and its to Megatron in DOTM. He was unarmed (quite literally lmao), missing an arm, and didn't currently have a weapon. He took the advantage he had and did when he had to do. Bee Prime, while certainly outnumbered, wasn't in as bad of a situation I'd argue.

He also doesn't really have to since he, and we as an audience, know what can kill a human. Transformers as a whole, not just the movies, is very inconsistent with what kills a Transformer. Not to mention that I still think that judging it by human standards doesn't work because they are alien so maybe thats just what you have to do sometimes. No one in the movies ever points stuff like that out and no one is ever really disgusted by any of it so I feel like it's obvious that it isn't frowned upon by other Cybertronians. This probably comes down to the writing more than anything, but still.

And lol he still tossed a dude out of a moving airplane. Falling from that high in the air anticipating death is a messed up way to go. But Cap did what he had to in that moment, same as Prime.

Exactly. BVS may not be great, but it had to be the introduction to the characters for many, and just that; an introduction. If anything treating the movies as some sort of end all be all for the franchise they are a part of i more concerning. While I will certainly have some expectations, I always go into a movie adaptation as a different take and version.

Its crazy to me how people don't get this. Let each iteration be its own thing! Of course, you don't want something to stray from the core of the idea or concept but I feel that the movies have never done that to Transformers.

 

1)It's a metaphor  ;
2)Not when they expect me and others to fork over my hard-earned $ to care. . .And my care and enthusiasm ain't for free. . .Those who expect me to fork over my $ gotta do much better than "We're doing this because it looks cool!", or any of the other tired-ass excuses they throw around to justify the excrement they pass off as movies. . .Do you and I'll do me. If I do decide to see ROTB I won't be paying for it. . .

 

I fail to see the problem.
Bayverse Optimus is accurate to Bayverse Optimus. If you want Comic book Batman go read comic Batman.

Is anyone this upset about Armada Lazerbeak being an Autobot?

Not every character in the franchise acts like every character of the same name from another iteration. Ironhide isn’t always a red van.

I'll worry about it when Optimus actually acts like Jason Voorhies. Until then...

 

That's just it, the movies aren't written for you, they're written to appeal to a mass audience who have never heard of Transformers and will most likely only consume movie content and might not even buy the toys or the merch.

 

Doesn't negate what I said - and there are others who feel the same way. Hence, why TLK bombed. . .

 

That doesn't negate what I said either.

 

That's honestly just a bad excuse to justify why your movies are crap. Just because you are making the movie to appeal to a mass audience does not mean you can just go ahead and disrespect the source material all you want. It's like saying that you are making a Spider-Man movie to appeal to a mass audience and you inaccurately depict the character as something different from what they are from the source material. Granted, there have been points where Peter Parker has been depicted differently from incarnation to incarnation but if you make him into something he is not then people are going to get the wrong idea about these characters in the same way as making Batman into a murderous vigilante and Superman into a brooding edgelord who sees his good deeds as obligations and not simply him doing good stuff because it's the right thing to do. People are going to think that's how the character is regularly in the comics and other media which is why accurate rep of these characters and this franchise is needed.

 

Why should you even care if they "get the wrong idea"? The movie characters are allowed to have different characterizations than their G1 counterparts. If that is how Bayverse fans like their Optimus Prime, so be it. I don't think Armada Starscream or IDW Starsaber are anything like their G1 counterparts, but I'm not going to say something presumptuous like UT and IDW fans got the wrong idea about those characters.

 

I feel like it's a tad crazy to want every version to be the same. So many versions of characters over the years have been different, some more than others, so why is this particular version always singled out? Mostly just because people don't like that he is a bit mean despite the context of the universe making this portrayal valid.

If someone thinks that one version of something is how something is regularly, doesn't that blame at least partially fall onto the people not looking at the franchise beyond the movies? Like sure if you think that a certain portrayal isn't good then whatever, but if someone is going to think that Optimus Prime, or Megatron, Bumblebee, etc, is one way because of a single piece of media then I'm not gonna really takes them seriously. Especially since Transformers is a big franchise with so many iterations over the years and many of those iterations are very unique in their stories and portrayals of characters. Like imagine if someone's only experience with Transformers was Animated; Optimus Prime would be a wash-out, inexperienced leader to them.

Plus, and I'm pretty sure that I've said this before in this thread, but the movies have not had a negative effect on the people that I know that aren't into the franchise. People still see him as a hero and someone to be looked up to. Obviously, this doesn't necessarily prove or disprove anything but I have never encountered someone that isn't very familiar with Transformers think that Optimus was a "maniac", or whatever dumb things you and others want to call him, because of the movies.