Imagine we have this to look forward to for every future toon release!  

 

Wait a minute, you’re saying all your negativity and thinly veiled insults are actually in support of the toon look?

I’m sorry, I just gotta ask. If you don’t like it, why are you here?

 

Sorry to interrupt, but my understanding of his statement is precisely that. Just a guy that doesn't like/support the cartoon look, that is not blindfolded by his own personal preferences, and understands why so many are praising this release.

I might have lost something in between, but that's my reading.

Again, sorry to get in the way. Carry on...

 

They’re not “thinly veiled insults”. They’re just observations in which I don’t try to hide my preferences. I can dislike a thing and still respect the fact that others appreciate it. Honestly, I think that’s quite normal. What’s weird to me is feeling like you have get on the bandwagon and like what other people like just because it’s the current trend. I also think it’s odd to feel inclined to insult or disrespect people simply because they like other things that differ from one’s own preferences.

I initially came here out of interest, because I hadn’t yet committed to a Masterpiece-style Trailbreaker, and Takara’s release of Skids (and previews of the Trainbots) gave me hope that not everything new was going to be exceedingly toony. It appears that anything with a significant G1 cartoon presence is getting the Sunbow treatment, though.

My comments specifically about TB’s color were to address some justifications made about the deco that were quite honestly bullshit and really not necessary to defend Takara’s choices. I don’t “support” the toon aesthetic, per se, because I don’t really like it. But I respect that it is popular and that many fans appreciate it. I feel it’s possible to be both critical and respectful, and in the process of making my comments I don’t think I insulted anyone.

Plenty of people make negative remarks about my favorite figures, and as long as they’re not just sh!tslinging, i figure it’s fair play. I don’t expect everyone to like what I like, and legitimate critical comments are always worth hearing. Often I can even agree with them.

Likewise, I agree with many fans of MP-56 even though I don’t like it enough to buy it. It’s not flawless, but it’s a great execution of toon Trailbreaker. If Takara decides to make a toy deco, I’ll probably consider it.

 

you literally just said people’s reasons were bullshit. You can’t go a single post without some snide comment, can you?

 

Right now Takara is reading this board, rubbing their hands and deciding to go the Skids route with Jazz and watch the fireworks.

 

Trying to cause a full scale riot I see    

 

That's actually funny.

In all seriousness, though, Maketoys Downbeat is probably sufficient for the toy-aesthetic crowd. From what I've seen and read in the responses, Takara had better go the toon route with Jazz just to counter Fanstoy's effort, which seems to be well-received so far. Even I think its robot mode looks good, though I really dislike the vehicle mode. I like Takara's general trend (aside from the chibis) in creating fairly realistic alt modes, while Fanstoy's full-toon strategy even with the cars leaves me cold. MP-56's truck design looks fantastic, IMO, at least with the more realistic grille. I love the TOYOTA-embossed tailgate.

 

I can't wait.

 

I'll bring the popcorn   

 

I’d be the happiest man alive with a menasor that has the amount of detail, and realistic car features that skids had, alongside a configuration like that of the g1 toy but with better proportions.

 

I actually don’t think that’s true. Earthrise Trailbreaker is much darker and I don’t remember anyone saying he should be lighter. Likewise Fanstoys Outrider. People think his white parts should be grey but I haven’t seen anyone say he should be lighter. I really think most of the people defending this are just defending Hasbro and would still be defending it if it had been darker. Just my two cents.

 

Do they? Read this board that is.   JP first if I got it right for the MP line(and a little bit of China). Me? Toon look, real look, hybrid etc.........no issue except for the crunchy flavor that is Hound. 

 

WFC+L toys are heavily cartoon scaled and inspired, but not tooned.

 

Identical black v grey/real v toon/animation limitations etc. argument can be found in the DS Blaster thread. Only flipped around as I said. Same would happen here...

For TB, the MP crowd who want toon would say 'but he's too dark' (though ironically would probably live with it) and the anti-toon would say 'nah, that grey you want is a limitation of the animation, get over it'. Same arguments but from a different position in the context of it.

And, FT gonna FT. People mostly don't critique the deco because FT do their own thing mostly. With TT we (mostly) know what the aim is.

And the mainline one isn't remotely comparable (although I certain that if someone had said that, they'd have been eviscerated...those mainline threads are crazy)

 

Again though, people didn’t do it with Outrider, which is more relevant in this case, since it’s the same character. I think most of us DO think of Trailbreaker being black but since Takara made him grey people are ok with it since the cartoon backs that up also. I wasn’t part of the Blaster convo so I’m not sure what that was about.

 

Seeing how many blacks were switched to charcoals and dark grays on the plus releases made Trailbreaker not being black a nobrainer.

 

Don't toy with my emotions like that  . I've given up on that possibility   The release of Jazz in this style is my dream Transformer! My grail !!!  

 

Yeah, personally, the color doesn't matter to me at all. His color is fine. If it were darker, that would also be fine. My issue is with how his 'belly' looks. Especially from the sides.

He's sitting at 16,608 yen shipped for me right now. Which is $131.04. I wish the exchange rate would lock in, If we are headed for recession the dollar may fall a bit. But at $50 less than Outrider, that's a really nice deal. That's Prooooobably enough to sway me over to the Takara version. I think the last day to cancel the Amazon.jp pre order is Friday...