Think of the pattern buffer storing the version of you at the instant you are dematerialized. There is a back-up stored version called the transporter trace that's created when you first use that transporter. It's stated in transporter centric episodes that the pattern buffer can't store a pattern forever. Scotty did have to jury-rig the transporter to do that. BUT it took 80 years for his pattern to degrade 15%. And they weren't sure they'd actually get him back in one piece.

 

I've already pointed out at least three...
TNG "Realm of Fear"
LAFORGE: Thirty, forty seconds. It's tough to tell. But I think it'd be safe.
BARCLAY: But if I'm in the matter stream too long.
DATA: Your pattern would degrade to the point where your signal would be permanently lost.

DS9 "Our Man Bashir"
ODO: Do we still have their patterns?
EDDINGTON: Yes. They're in the buffer. But the patterns will start to degrade if not used immediately. We need to store the patterns somewhere.

And then they end up erasing the station's computer memory in order to save their neural patterns, while their physical patterns are stored in Quark's holo-suites, just as the pattern buffer depolarizes and looses their patterns.

Voyager "Counterpoint"
Using pattern enhancers, Voyager was able to keep a group of refugees and a few crew members in transporter suspension for several minutes while patrols inspected the ship, however, after the first patrol we see in the episode leaves, they quickly run into problems in which they say...
SEVEN: We are unable to consolidate their patterns. They've been in suspension too long.

Also, this episode establishes:

EMH: I've just treated Tuvok and two of the refugees for acute cellular degradation. I've repaired most of the damage but unfortunately the effect is cumulative.
KIR: Meaning?
TUVOK: If we continue to go into transporter suspension, some of us may not survive.

And then of course TNG "Relics", they were completely surprised Scotty's pattern had remained intact after 75 years, which is the one exception because of the unusual way Scotty had jury-rigged it.
LAFORGE: There's a pattern in the buffer still.
RIKER: It's completely intact. There's less than point zero zero three percent signal degradation. How is that possible?
LAFORGE: I don't know. I've never seen a transporter jury-rigged like this.

It has always been a limitation of the technology, outside Scotty's miraculous jury-rigging. M'Benga's comment about there being no limit just doesn't make sense with what has already been established in the other series.

 

Fair play. While we can say mbenga is wrong because those are all tng era, so we can say no one has used transporters like this before so they don't know, and he is a doctor, not a transporter engineer, the few minutes thing does put a crimp in it.

 

Realm of fear was an interesting episode. It was the first time we ever got a first person perspective of someone being transported.

 

Which should be impossible because when one is being disassembled molecule by molecule one would have no eyes to see the transport effect nor brain to comprehend it.

 

The longer this show stays good, the more I feel like I'm going to be disappointed when the other shoe drops.

This episode really reminded me of "Starship Down" from DS9. It had everything from

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trapped crewmen to the gruff commander needing to alter their managerial style to having to get inventive with the last remaining torpedo.

Good stuff all around.

I actually tried to watch that aftershow they do, but I couldn't make it through more than a minute.

 

Wow, after reading all the glowing comments in here I might need to check this show out. Haven’t watched a ST series regularly since Voyager was on the air (Enterprise bored me, and while I haven’t seen them, everything I’ve heard about Discovery and Picard is that they’re smelly piles of donkey feces).
Don’t have Paramount+, so I’ll see if I can check out the free ep (if it’s still available).

 

Enterprise, if you're willing to stick with it, becomes surprisingly solid.
Discovery, I've seen clips, that was more than enough for me.
Picard has incredible moments that appease the fans while bringing dreck along with them, but those scenes...man.
Strange New World is definitely worth your time.

 

I agree.
- Enterprise starts out a little slow for my tastes and while there are good episodes, a lot of the show feels like we've seen the plots before. Season three with the Xindi arc is mostly good and worth watching, and season four is a proper prequel series, apart from the terrible last episode of the series. I don't know what they were thinking with that one.
- Discovery: I'm watching season two because I'm interested in Pike and Spock. It's okay, but well below all of the series that came before, and a continuity nightmare.
- Picard: I've only seen season one, and I honestly liked the story and the characters, though I have problems with the show as well.
- Strange New Worlds: I've only seen the free first episode, but I really enjoyed it. It's what inspired me to watch Discovery season 2 for more of the characters. I'll probably get Paramount + for a month or so after the season ends and binge watch SNW and Picard season 2.

 

Episode 4 and the show is still going strong for me. I am so happy we're seeing a return to an atmosphere of naval operations, however slight, in a ST show.

• The Pike Maneuver, eh? Nice nod to TOS.
• I enjoyed Hemmer and Uhura' sub plot of mentorship. Both characters' development greatly benefited.
• Good to see more development of La'an.
• I loved that there was no reveal of the Gorn. By keeping the antagonists hidden, it made the tension more acute for me.
• The way most, if not all main characters get at least one moment to shine is great. Nurse Chspel's exchange with Number One about septic shock is perfect. Showing M'Benga's blood transfusion to Number One. Number One ordering the last of the plasma to be given to someone else. These quieter character moments do subtle narrative heavy lifting that a lot of shows/movies miss the mark on.

Overall, SNW continues to deliver.

 

A solid episode though it borrows heavily from Balance of Terror (the submarine combat themes) and Wrath of Khan (hiding in a gas anomaly that disables sensors and shields)

 

This line was written, approved, and performed... in Star Trek...

 

Maybe the real monsters are the friends we made along the way.

 

While this was a good episode, I am not exactly thrilled they are making the Gorn out to be a savage barbaric, probably cannibalistic species. They essentially seem to be the Hirogen 2.0 given from the info we heard from La'an and the colony survivors. I know they did massacre a colony in TOS too, but as I understood from Kirk's ending statement, they thought it was an intrusion into their space by the Federation, trying to conquer a planet. In the comics I have read, the Gorn seemed far more civilized.
Ah well, maybe we will see more of them later. Maybe this is just a splinter faction of them. Honestly, apart from that terrible video game in the Abramstrek-verse, the Gorn had very few mentions or appearances in official Trek so far.

And that is a problem... why?
The Gorn aren't monsters, they are a humanoid species. Nothing supernatural about them. She is also just trying to calm down a little girl.
I mean, if it was Spock, he would point out that there are many species like Salt Vampires and whatever that are out to get you, but then again, Vulcans are not great at calming terrified people down.  

Agreed. None of these shows deserve the flaming hate they get. I feel people too stuck on the past shows never gave most of these any chance, and while some of them admittedly can be pretty bad, I would not rate any of these unwatchable.
... it is just a pretty long road, getting from here to season 3 in Enterprise (pun intended) when it finally starts to get entertaining. And with Discovery, there are a lot of yawn-inducing episodes in seasons 3-4 where the plot moves along at a snail's pace.

It has been ages since I saw TOS, I forgot that the whole "leave Pike and the human girl on Talos IV" happens in a later episode, and not in the pilot.
Yeah I remember Discovery S2 referenced the pilot, and it felt silly seeing flashbacks to an actual TOS era episode in a modern show.

 

It's a universe where unimaginable wild lifeforms exists in endless possibilities which includes space monsters in some shape or form and this woman says they don't exist like she was isolated from the entire galaxy she has no idea what's out there.

 

Again, she said it to make a little girl calm down. Would you be like a Vulcan and tell her about all the monsters that exist?   Not good parenting...

Huh, totally forgot that TOS had a second pilot too. What was wrong with the first? The studios liked Shatner more?

Yeah, I mean in Inquisition there was that quarter-Vulcan who actually turned out to have been quarter-Romulan. He hid that one from Starfleet, too.

 

If the Gorn are going to be the main villains ill be interested in how the creative team will resolve the whole Tarzan loincloth look from ToS. I always thought that seemed an improbable attire for a warp advanced culture then and it would be even more ridiculous if they tried to use it now

 

I was taken a back a bit when Mbenga started mentioning "matter synthetisers"... I mean, that sounds a lot like replicators, and Trek definitely did not have those until TNG's time.

Btw, during La'an's looong speech about how inhuman and monstrous the Gorn are and how just seeing them triggers primeval terror in warm-blooded species, I was thinking "Thank goodness Linus is on Discovery"   I mean, physically, there ain't much difference between Saurians and the Gorn, and the former are members of Starfleet. Heck, there are other reptilian species too that the Federation made peaceful contact with.

Heh, too true. I think they could have done what they did on Enterprise - keep the general look of it, but change the material to something more durable and proper.


Btw, since we are mentioning Gorn - fun fact - did you guys know that Lizorr on New Adventures of He-Man was based on the TOS Gorn? He even has the same "leopard spots" on the armor.

 

Vulcan: “The image of a ‘monster’ is subjective to the individual, as well as to a species as a whole. What a human might find monstrous would be completely normal to another species, while another species may find humans monstrous. Therefore, the concept of ‘monsters’ is an illogical construct of the human mind. So please cease your unnecessary emotional outburst.”
Child: “……..wut??”
 

 

I noticed those, plus a little of TNG's "Disaster",

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with various members of the crew trapped without the experience or equipment to deal with their situations. (Geordi and Hemmer both end up resolving their situations in the same way too, come to think of it.)

But hey, if you're gonna steal, steal from the best, and it's to the episode's credit that it doesn't FEEL like a retread of all those things.