I mean all those things listed just seem to have to do with Truck transformers or Optimus's in general, and not really a good indication of "Bayverse Prime = Scourge" theory.

Bayverse Prime didn't have smokestacks on his shoulders, let alone 4 of them. That would be closest to Armada Optimus who had 2 on each of his arms.
Him being the same height as Optimus in the movie has 0 indication for or against this theory.
Wheels on the hips didn't start with Bayverse Prime, it actually started with G1.
And windshields on the chest is just something the vast majority of truckformers have real or fake, from Cybertron Optimus to DOTM Sentinel to, you guessed it, RID Scourge.

And again, RID Scourge was a corrupted Autobot, not a leader, he only looked like a Convoy cause he scanned Fire Convoy/Optimus and was chosen by the Autobots (which Prime was the leader of) to be part of the crew to Earth cause he could find the parts needed for Fort Max. And the symbol being his face is cause it's the G2 Autobot symbol flipped, which was directly based on G1 Optimus, cause Takara didn't want to use the Decepticon logo (didn't stop them from using the Autobot badge for an attempt at Nostalgia bait).

Until we actually see Scourge's design, or even some footage from the movie, I still find this "Bayverse Prime corrupted" theory iffy at best, rather than just them getting a villain that can resemble Optimus in a Optimus centric story ala Reverse-Flash, Zod, Yellow Jacket, etc. Heck I'd say it's more likely that he's a corrupted version or a clone of "some Optimus" like the Universe Nemesis Prime was than Bayverse Optimus.

 

There's a TINY bit of talk about ROTB in this clip...

 

Still think the only "Bayverse" connection is the Maximals and Predacons.

 

can't forget the air freshner in the Camaro.

 

Yep, I agree, it was a bit premature to name a potential new continuity after the director of a single film.

 

We will just have to wait and see (as with a lot of things for this movie). Hopefully the Power Combiners show up on shelves in the next month so we can get a look at Scourge's design. Honestly the real new info that is pretty much all new and not just new tidbits is Wheeljack.

Basically what he said for those wondering is just that he's excited for everyone to see it, that it's gonna be insane, something new that none one's seen before, and that he's grateful to be apart of it (basically standard PR/what actors usually say), but still he's got energy to him and I'm happy for both him and miss Fishback.

Yeah, I think that name was mostly used cause people assumed he would direct the sequel or mainly that he directed the start of a new universe so people used his name.

Oh, boy can't forget about the air freshener...

 

Because that's the trend with movie continuities these days, to use the last name of the director that is most associated with them. Bayverse, Snyderverse, etc.

Yes he does - just look to the sides of his head here. Literally right next to his cheek on the left side of his head you can see where the two smokestacks are.

This was already proven as me simply misreading a thing.

This isn't about what all Optimus Primes do, this is about details that would subtly imply that Scourge was made from Bayverse Optimus.

Wow, it's almost like RID Scourge was literally a repainted OPTIMUS PRIME or something!

Plus, Sentinel Prime's chest windows were the side cab windows, not the actual windshields which were significantly larger and curved.

Not according to the wiki! Litterally the first paragraph of the cartoon continuity section:

Scourge (RID) - Transformers Wiki

Well, that's getting into Japanese continuity altogether which is a massive confusing fustercluck because RID is technically the series that occurs chronologically after BEAST WARS or something.

That doesn't rule out it could be a clone of Bayverse Optimus, especially since as I keep pointing out they literally picked out a truck, out of hundreds of possibilities, that was literally the predecessor model to the most well known movie Optimus alt. mode. If they didn't want comparisons to Movie Optimus Prime, then they shouldn't have used the one other truck besides a 379 that used the same cab body.

As in, they're from the future Bayverse continuity and the time travel shenanigans land them in an alternate timeline? Because Optimus Prime in the Bayverse was not on Earth in the late 20th century and we know ROTB takes place in 1994.

 

It's just a airfreshner nothing really that's important more of Easter egg

 

It was more to do with the G2 Autobot symbol being moulded onto the discs that can be launched from the battle station. Rather than remoulding them, they simply decided to turn the symbol upside down as a new Decepticon symbol.

 

And those aren't on his shoulders are they?

Wheels on hips aren't a good indication that he's Bayverse Prime, Energon Prime had wheels on his hips so by that logic Scourge is probably Grand Maximus coming from Super Link before Unite Warriors.


And Bay Prime had 4 wheels on each thigh, not 1 on each side of his hip.

Sure it's an earlier model, but they also look nothing alike. It is at best a passing resemblance to Optimus's truck and could just as like been chosen cause the director thought it looked the coolest out of the possible options.

 

While TFWiki isn't really wrong with that description, in the show they do say a few times that Scourge looks the way he does due to him scanning both a fuel tanker and Optimus Prime at the same time. So, unless I'm misreading this conversation, @Nova Maximus is correct here. I just got done rewatching RID like a month and a half, two months ago, so it is still fresh in my mind.

 

Again how does this make the bayverse bayverse prime thing true..... it's a fake rumor

 

Here's a comparison between the two BTW

Your correct I both remember it from watching a youtube clip of it when Legacy G2 Prime was revealed (which reminds me I need to watch RID01 at some point). He scales both the fuel tanker and Prime at once.

From 5:30

 

Which comic is that if I may ask?

 

I wouldn't be surprised if they just used Prime's Peterbilt truck as the basis for the design at the concept art stage, and maybe they just decided to stick with it because they thought it looked the best.

 

It's from the TF Collector's Club. I think issue 3.

 

Thanks!

 

Looking at my comparison of the two honestly, the only things in common are there both Peterbilt and also long-nose trucks, and the mirrors are the same or very similar that's really it. Everything else is pretty much different.

 

Alternate timeline or one timeline that was always supposed to have time travel. That is if Steven Caple Jr. and Joby Harold are using either fixed timeline or multiverse timeline of the three categories of Time Travel used in Science Fiction. Personally, I think they're doing fixed timeline, as it would help explain certain things in The Last Knight like Bumblebee not remembering ever meeting Sir Edmund Burton and Hot Rod having Lamborghini parts in the 1900s.

Who knows maybe Merlin was really the first-time traveler and was actually Joshua Joyce who discover time travel by accidently traveling to 484 A.D. with a bottle of Jack Daniels? Jack Daniels gives you the ability to Time Travel.

 

This is my thoughts too. Despite being the same (or at least a very similar) truck, this doesn't really seem like it's supposed to be a dilapidated version of Bayverse Optimus' truck. A lot of the details are very different (like the placement of the fuel tanks), and it just doesn't give off that "Evil Optimus" vibe that stuff like Nemesis Prime does. I get more of an ancient trophy hunter vibe. I think Scourge is supposed to be a dark mirror to Optimus, but not literally him.

There's also the fairly obvious issue of Bayverse Prime not being the Peterbuilt anymore. If Optimus was reformatted by Unicron post-TLK, shouldn't he be a rusty version of the Western Star truck?

Also, the brand has a long history of characters sharing the same vehicles, or closely related vehicles without any sort of in-universe connection. Hot Rod and Lockdown (Lambos), Sideswipe and Crosshairs (Corvettes), AOE Galvatron and BB Optimus (Freightliners). And that's just the movies. There've been multiple space shuttle Transformers, multiple Jeep Transformers, multiple Osprey Transformers, etc.

Regardless of which version ROTB uses (if any), I personally prefer the first two. To me those really lend themselves to clever writing and interesting dilemmas. It forces the writers to pay attention to what they're doing and pay attention to what happened in previous movies, so they don't mess up the timeline.

I honestly don't much care for multiversal time travel. It kind of feels lazy, because the writers can just do whatever and say it's a new timeline. Even if stuff doesn't really make sense, like in Abrams' Star Trek movies (I don't think the use of time travel in the first film would have affected stuff like the design of the Enterprise being totally different).

I think Endgame kind of made me salty to multiversal time travel. That movie spent a lot of time patting itself on the back for having time travel that makes sense...to the point where a character even uses Back to the Future as an example of nonsense time travel. But Endgame's time travel rules ultimately ended up being way more confusing and vague than anything in BBTF. I do like Endgame, but IMO it was a bit cringeworthy to compare itself to some of the better written time travel movies ever.