I never said you have to watch a video to understand the show. If that were the case, I would think it's a pretty bad show. I linked the video because it made me consider things I didn't consider on my initial viewing, and thought other people might find the video interesting too.

Sorry, but this post is some of the most cringeworthy nonsense I've seen here in a while. Apparently I'm a Disney apologist because I allow my opinions to shift once I hear new information that I originally didn't consider. Apparently I'm a Disney apologist because I went from not liking an episode to thinking it's okay. Apparently consuming art/entertainment is just about watching something once, and stubbornly sticking to the initial opinion you form.

Sounds exactly like fans getting their expectations too high. Things like the "Decepticons are too monstrous" and "Bumblebee is mute" aren't things that really hurt the quality of the movie on a technical level. Every incarnation of Transformers takes creative liberties with the lore and characters. If you went into the movie with certain expectations about how the characters were going to be handled, it very much sounds like a problem with expectations

 

At least we can all be proud that this thread hasn't devolved into Godwin's Law yet. Hurray!

 

That's fucking cool.

The fact that Morrison plays such a stoic character(s?) but is such a goofball is so endearing.

 

Book of Boba was fine. There is a lot of good and bad but a season 2 has good potential to fix the issues. I really enjoyed Boba’s relationship with the Raiders. I know people think Boba got soft in this series but I found that he was softer in Mando season 2. OT Boba would have stolen Grogu and sell him off to the highest bidder. Now Boba could be a bit more of a anti hero but I enjoy that he is actually a character for once as an adult. He isn’t just a cool set of armor. Overall I still like the main plot and his arc. I look forward to his future.

Now the Din focused episodes were great but I would have like to see those events happen in S3 of the Mandalorian. Like episode 5 would have been the point where I stopped the focus on him. Anything with Grogu should have been saved for S3. The focus should have been on Boba with Din as a supportive character. Din and Grogu reunion should have been saved for The Mandalorian. This is something that a season 2 shouldn’t do again. I also think Boba should have worn the helmet more. I understand they want to show his face emoting when talking but when he is out trying to look like a crime boss the helmet should stay on.

As of the really bad. The Cyberpunk 2077 with their space vespas should go away or be retooled to feel Star Wars. Their look didn’t fit in especially in a desert environment. It was the most Robert Rodriguez Spy Kids feeling thing out there.

In the end I would give it a B-. Not as good as The Mandalorian but still better than the PT and ST.

 

I think this is Book of Boba Fett as a subset of Mandalorian. Like Boba is under that tent rather than a full-on solo character. I think this is more about Din than it is about Boba. This series is more or less explaining why Boba is who he is now and how that fits within Din’s larger story. I can only assume he will be part of whatever Din is ultimately building here. As Bo Katan likely will be as well.

This story was set up terribly leading fans to believe it was about Boba heading up his own franchise and crime syndicate...when it was really about fleshing out Din’s story and Boba’s place within it. Not exactly what fans were expecting or presented.

 

I think the real issue was the advertising and name. I think if it had the title books of the Mandalorians it would have had better reception. Have it be stories split between Boba, Din and Bo.

 

Star Wars: The Way
or The Way of the Mandalorian.

 

I think that would be a good title for a death watch show. But Boba doesn’t believe in “The Way” and Din has broken the creed. Now that he has Grogu again I think S3 will be him trying to discover the real meaning of being a Mandalorian and “The Way” might not really be the way to go forward.

Also other theory the title “The Mandalorian” isn’t really about Din but it’s about Grogu who will eventually become a Mandalorian.

 

Yeah Din’s adventure to the Waters of Mandalore or whatever under mines appears to be the next season. I have a feeling Din will discover who the Mandalore, and former Jedi, really was and will redefine what being a “Mandalorian” really means. It’s likely different from the “Way” and Bo Katan’s crew. I have always been of the opinion the show is called “The Mandalorian” for a reason, he’s a true believer, he’s the real-deal he is the new Mandalore.

I think that entails reuniting all the clans and bringing them back together. Boba Fett included he’s a believer now and he is searching for his “family” still. Din was going to die with him, it’s a done deal.

 

This is pretty much where I'm at. I really do think this deserves a second season. Maybe they can give themselves a bit more time to work out the story and writing (I hear speculation that the pandemic may have caused them to rush the story so they could film before the next lockdown), and they can try to avoid some of the flaws this season had.

Yeah, a B- is pretty fair. Honestly, I still consider it one of the better live-action things Disney Star Wars has put out. This and Mandalorian feel like they were created by people who love Star Wars and want to bring the world to life, whereas stuff like the JJ Abrams movies and Solo feel more like generic studio blockbusters to me. I do want future seasons to step up the quality a bit more though.

 

I absolutely agree. Especially because they'll continue to use it as a crutch due to their lack of vision.

Someone here posted an article saying Hamill didn't voice Luke for Mando season 2 and BoBF? That really confuses me because of these BTS videos. He was there as a model for the other actor to mimic before doing the deepfake but they didn't have Hamill do the voice? They had to robot that too? It couldn't be that hard to de-age his voice, right? Stunt limitations aside, there's no reason Hamill shouldn't be involved in every other aspect with Luke's appearances assuming he's on board which I think he'd be, given the material and positive reception.

 

Thinking back to some things I liked in the show:

* Would love more Lortha Peel/Stephen Root. He was a delightful, smarmy little shit for his one scene, and I can’t help it, I love Stephen Root’s Southern conman voice. More please. Hell, Stephen Root could voice Swindle someday.

* I’ve already said how I love that scene where Peli happily took Grogu from R2, and immediately gave him a meal. Wholesome goodness. But I love that it’s the first time in a while that Grogu has been allowed to be a baby. Obviously he’s 50 years old and understands what people are saying perfectly, but he’s still a baby. It’s nice to see him in a loving environment with a doting (crack) grandma who gives him a meal, and he doesn’t have to worry about anything. So sweet.

* I think in Mando Season 2, Peli said she never left Mos Eisley because it was too dangerous to travel between cities. But nonetheless she left to make sure Grogu got back to his dad. And probably hyped up Grogu telling him to hide so he can surprise his dad.

* And finally, if you listen, when Peli first unveils Grogu, it sounds an awful lot like he rambled “Dada!”

 

I'm so there for this.

 

Just a thought, but I think adding in a sub layer of imperial remnants would have made this show more dynamic. Like add in some local imperial battalion trying to survive/hide/gain control of a territory and comes into conflict with boba

mando had a good mix of that

 

Put me firmly in the "one-and-done" category.

 

Reflecting on the show as a whole, I'd say it was fine. Probably around the quality of Rogue One for me. To me Mandalorian is the only truly 'great' thing live-action Disney Star Wars has put out. And arguably only Season 1...Season 2 started leaning more heavily on fanservice, nostalgia, and familiar faces, whereas Season 1 did a great job standing on its own two feet.

I generally like the broad story developments in The Book of Boba Fett. Him becoming part of the Tusken tribe, wanting to move on from bounty hunting and find a new tribe, struggling to earn respect, etc. If you told me a general overview of the season, I'd say "yeah, that sounds pretty solid".

I do think the show struggled in execution. To me the biggest flaw was sidetracking so much with the Mandalorian stuff, at the cost of development for Boba's storyline. I was actually pretty onboard with this show during the first four episodes. I think 2 and 4 are really solid, and 1 and 3 were still good. I was worried about how much the stuff with Did Djarin sidetracked, but I was hoping it would all make sense in the end. And while I can see what they were going for thematically, I feel like that time would have been better spent developing Boba's arc. This show definitely struggled with pacing and structure.

I'm really curious to hear about what went on behind the scenes, because something was clearly off. I've seen speculation that this was written around the time the pandemic hit, and they decided to get Mando and Grogu back together early in case the Mandalorian got cancelled. I think that's a plausible theory. Or maybe it was Jon Favreau trying to do some weird artistic experiment, and play around with storytelling structure. While a lot of his stuff is great, occasionally he does something that just doesn't work out like Lion King 2019. He's even done experimental stuff in Mandalorian, like the aspect ratio thing in the Marshal episode (which felt a bit unnecessary to me). Or maybe it was Disney demanding more Baby Yoda, and the writers did their best to make it work.

I'll go on record saying I don't particularly love Robert Rodriguez's style (it kind became a bit much towards the end), but I also think he's getting way too much hate. No, the "slow speeder chase" and the guy doing the pointless spin aren't what ruined the show by any stretch of the imagination. These things are funny to meme, I don't really see them as real flaws. I do think his style is a bit bland and repetitive overall, but it does have great moments. I really enjoyed the Mando and Boba team up fight, and bits of the Rancor battle. By far the worst stylistic thing in the show was the awkward Boba vs Black Krrsnatan fight. If they do a second season I kind of hope he doesn't return, but my main concern is that they punch up the storytelling.

It might seem like a weird metric, but I kind of judge modern Star Wars stuff as if they were EU novels. Because they're essentially that level of storytelling. This stuff isn't part of Lucas' vision, it's other storytellers trying to emulate his work with various levels of success. Which is more in-line with the EU stories than the original 6 movies. To me BOBF felt like an okay EU novel. A bit clunky and messy, but still clearly written by people who want to do justice to this world and characters. I'm looking forward to revisiting this show in a year or two, and seeing if it gets better or worse.

 

While I liked Din making a return, I agree that his time in episode five and six should have been spent doing more with Cobb and explaining Cad Bane and Boba's relationship for those who didn't invest time into The Clone Wars -- things that were pertinent to Boba.