Here is my review for Hook and Long Haul! check it out!

 

Who cares about what Bobby dirty hands says ?

I mean its so obviously biased from long time ago, which I'm fine with it, we all have preferences.

But if your job is to review toys how can you not take 2 minutes to wash your hands? For real Mack.

 

It's completely on him, IMO. MS Devastator requires the patience to get every single tab correct and rewards that patience with a remarkably solid combiner. I understand that level of intricacy is a negative for a lot of people, but BSF doesn't give a balanced assessment of the pros and cons here. He just makes it seem like its a hopeless, poorly engineered piece of garbage that can't be salvaged. He has repeatedly stated his dislike for Legends-scale, and Magic Square in particular, so this doesn't surprise me.

As for the loose knees and elbows, I can only say my copy had tight joints across the board.

 

BSF doesn't have a dislike for Legends, he just has no interest in collecting them (he has said in one of his videos that he has a large collection of the smaller Star Wars figures from back in the day, and that making a collection of small figures look good and visually impressive/interesting is a challenge that he is not interested in going through again). He has repeatedly praised most NewAge and Iron Factory figures, some of the Legends that have come from other companies, and some aspects of Magic Square figures.

BSF does have a dislike for the plastic that Magic Square uses, and a lot of the factors that come from that (like the fact that it's sometimes frustrating to tab Magic Square stuff in). He is also very definitely not someone who enjoys complicated transformations (or, I sometimes get the impression, transformations at all, period), and Magic Square has been doing more and more elaborate transformations of late. He often does not pay attention to minute details and nuances in transformations, which sometimes results in his perception of the final product being unjustly skewed.

In this particular case, he very obviously mis-transformed some parts, like how Scrapper's feet plug into the waist for combined mode - buuuuuut also, that part is really non-intuitive, the instructions are bad, and we've seen many many people in this thread make the same mistake; I've transformed the figures back and forth a few times, and I still have to pause and double-check when I get to that section. He makes it seem like the whole Devastator doesn't peg together securely and comes apart, and that is not true at all - if you do everything right, it's super-solid. It's just also very challenging to get it right because of how complex the transformations are, and because of how crummy some of the tolerances are (connecting Long Haul and Hook is a nightmare).

He also says that the elbows are loose (mine are fine) and the knees are loose (one of mine is as loose as his, and tightening the screws does not tighten the joint). I agree with him 1000% that they should have been ratcheted joints. Legends Devastator is the same size as a Masterpiece Optimus Prime, and if a Masterpiece Optimus Prime didn't have ratcheted knees, he's get lambasted. I think it's borderline unforgivable that those knees are not ratcheted.

Look, this is a really complicated set of figures. There are a lot of moving parts, non-intuitive steps, and small adjustments that make the difference between "floppy mess" and "solid". I love the sculpt, poseability, and personality of this set, and I've grown to appreciate the flexibility and durability of MS's plastic, but I really dislike how overwrought a lot of their engineering ended up being. Some of BSF's criticisms are completely unfair and are reflective of his own impatience, and some of his criticisms are completely justified and have nothing to do with his lack of care when transforming stuff.

As soon as I had the toys in my hands, I knew exactly where BSF was gonna get frustrated, and what his final impression would be.

 

Very well said, and I feel very accurate assessment. It was definitely an easily predictable outcome for Bobby's review.

 

I knew folk would lose their shit about Bobby's review, but everything you say here is spot on. Bobby's complaints were all rooted in truth, even if some of the issues he has can be alleviated or even avoided. There are definitely tabs/connections across the set that would benefit from being sturdier.

 

If the instructions are poor enough that someone that does regular reviews on these things can't get it right, what does that say about the product? It's not like Bobby Skullface hasn't successfully transformed complicated figures before.

 

I'll defend Bobby's review a bit. I have Devastator and love him! That said:

1. My knee was also loosy goosy. I had to tighten the screw to make it tight. Wasn't hard at all - but also does show how ratchets would make it hold up for longer time whereas the screw joint wasn't tight out of the box and may weaken over time.

2. The transformation is extremely difficult - you have to get everything just right for it to stick together. Your patience is rewarded. But for a consumer - knowing that it's not an east transformation compared to New Age is something they should know.

The instructions were obtuse - I had to follow a video guide to transform mine and it took me awhile to figure out what to do still.

Overall - he said he loved how it looked. Didn't like how it handled. I'd say it's fair. Hopefully, people understand their own transforming skill level. Are you good at intricate and hard transformations like MakeToys? Get Magic Square.

Do you prefer easier stuff? Dont get MS. I think his videos shows MS's pros and cons.

 

Elbows and 1 knee are fine on mine. The knee on my Devy's left leg is looser than the other, but it still bears weight. I like that the elbows have 2 stages to them, they fill out the joint and make it look better -- in fact, mine are pretty tight.

It's good for buyers to know that this is not a transformation or combination that you should rush into. It's going for the Masterpiece G1-toon accuracy aesthetic with wheels and vehicle parts being hidden within the bot mode. That instantly guarantees a more... involved transformation. It's not for everyone, and it certainly does ensure that the toy doesn't get transformed back and forth as much.

There are a lot of little tabs on the individual components that keep everything in place, and when you get them pegged in, Devastator is actually pretty solid and doesn't come apart easily (it holds together MUCH better than my old Jinbao OS KO Gravity Builder used to). I found the video reviews from Golden Zhen to be most helpful, because he points out areas where there are likely to be frustrations and how to avoid them.

Personally, I'm very happy with the result. Devastator looks like it stepped out the G1 cartoon, and it looks great from almost every angle too. It is very posable for a combiner, although I do think there are some areas where could it be improved.

• ratcheted knees
  
• butterfly joints for shoulders
• wrist tilt
• a better truck bed for Long Haul

About BSF's review, I agree with the main points of Dealduwath's post.

 

Bobby is Bobby... I knew what to expect from the MS Devy review before watching it. Bobby is known for hammering the nylon plastic material and with his melon sized fingers, I was waiting for him to mistransform certain parts and get frustrated with the engineering.
It is what it is.
Personally I had zero problems tabbing everything into place, even the 'dreaded' Hook/Long Haul connection was a breeze to complete.
People who enjoy intricate engineering and transformations and are willing to invest a little bit more time to be rewarded in the end, know that MS Devy is freaking amazing.

 

so… after much thought and consideration… i’ve decided to buy the entire MS devy set off thechosenprime and i couldn’t be more excited.

 

pretty sure BSF = Beat the Shit out of your Figures. bitching about it being loose and not tabbing in… he clearly didn’t even tab that green peg to get things aligned for the side piece to tab in, lmfao. as well as what someone said about scrapper’s feet tabbing into his waist that’s the reason for his leg coming apart.

his figure does look like it has looser combiner joints than most, though. everything else? pretty inexcusable for a toy reviewer imo.

 

I know this is a bit late but I have to say this set is perfect, it can do this!

https://twitter.com/CannibalChow/status/1494156434191400961?t=Igt-yPxjYtqO7-g_x5qKAg&s=19

I also did a review of Scavenger and will be trying to finish the whole set soon, hope you all are having a good time with your Devy sets, I can't keep my hands off em.

Here's the Scavenger Review, still fairly new to all this:

Enjoy!

 

Sure wasn’t expecting to see that. Not the review.

 

Yeah the lack of elbow and knee ratchets is going to put a serious damper on posability in the long term.

 

BSF is great for a lot of things. But the man has hands made of rocks and ham. I would not expect him to be able to transform and combine these things smoothly.

 

My thoughts on BSF's review which I commented on YouTube:

As someone who can appreciate complex transformations, I love this set. Bot to vehicle isn't easy but I enjoyed the process. Getting to combined mode wasn't bad for the legs or arms. Even Long Haul wasn't bad to do. But getting Hook setup is a royal pain. The port in his chest isn't wide enough when plugging Long Haul in. I had to use one of the guns and spin it around in the hole to loosen it up (so to speak). I think you have to attach Long Haul and Hook prior to attaching the chest shield.

Nothing can be rushed on this set when combining it. There are a ton of pieces to arrange and tab in to get it right. Even liking complexity, this set frustrated the hell out of me. It took me a couple hours to get it combined correctly while using Golden Zhen's videos. Once the frustration settled, I loved it. Mine is stable as hell, can hold the gun, and has tight joints. While the loose elbow is an issue, the knees can extend or collapse up depending on how you setup the combiner. I'm curious if that contributed to their looseness by them not being fully in either position.

I'm also concerned that due to how MS Devvy was transformed in this video that the versus NA video isn't going to be as quality [or as valid] a comparison as it could be.

 

I agree this Devastator is pretty solid once you get him there. I am never f&*king ever taking him apart again though. I think I could transform and assemble every other Devastator I have in the time it took me to do this one.

I get that quality sculpts require complex transformations. But the sculpt of this Devastator is just too meh for the nightmare complexity he is built from.

 

Just to highlight one point several have mentioned: My Devy combined is pretty stable I think. That said - the two posts from Long haul that are supposed to insert into Hook - seriously - does anyone's actually fit? Mine do not without pressing so hard down that Hook falls apart.

 

It took me maybe 20 minutes of sweating over that connection to finally get it connected - because that's how long it took for me to work up the courage (and frustration) to press way harder than I am normally comfortable pressing. It took a LOT of effort and force to get those connections to fit, and I haven't taken it apart since.

It's a real bad connection with real bad tolerances.