I mean if someone dislikes a show on it's own merits that's perfectly fine. Everyone's different. Honestly only take issue with people who then decide to talk down to others of the opposite opinion. One of my favorites that a particular individual in this thread keeps doing is suggesting that "no real fan would like this show". Basically saying to everyone who likes this that they aren't real fans. The One True Scotsman logical fallacy at work. And for the record doing it in reverse isn't okay either.

 

Well look since I do it, I am going to say I think it’s fine in reverse. In fact my favorite complaint is the “no real fan” would like Revelation complaints. Because the complaint is so painfully stupid it simultaneously annoys and pleases me to witness the complete idiocy and lack of knowledge of the franchise.

If someone doesn’t like characters, writing, stakes whatever to each their own. I can understand not liking the sum of the parts. Revelation however has more lore and callbacks than any other MOTU product created so far. So you know if someone wants to talk about Revelation not being for “true fans” they deserve to be talked down to cause they don’t know what they’re talking about and it isn’t a matter of opinion. And knowing a little bit about your fandom is kind of the point isn’t it.

 

No it isn't. And they don't deserve to be talked down to, just because your an expert in the lore that doesn't mean you can insult people. You can point out the errors but insulting their fan level because they don't know all the lore says more about the person doing it, than the person they are doing it to. I know I'm not an expert at everything, but in some things I know a lot. However in real life if you were to insult some one bad and run into them later as a mechanic when your car needs to be fixed you better hope they don't hold a grudge. Just because your online doesn't mean you shouldn't treat people with respect.

There are some subjects where I know a lot, hell I've been hired to teach it, but even still I can find out new things. However I would be lost trying to repair my car on my own. No one knows everything. And they shouldn't be disrespected for not knowing something.

 

I was talking about someone who states a dislike for the show without insulting everyone who likes it. It's not okay to suddenly say something like "oh, well obviously you don't like it because you're not a real fan of MOTU" if they have legit complaints about various parts that cause their dislike. I mean I personally liked Revelations but I think there's also some legit criticism to be aimed at it.

 

There’s a difference between interesting criticism and “you just don’t understand why you should dislike this.” Or just spamming how much you dislike something repeatedly in a thread.

Also, don’t be surprised or get defensive if you loudly proclaim barely watching something and then being told, well, maybe you didn’t really give a shot.

 

Agreed. There's certainly a fine line between all of that.

 

Oh I think there is legitimate criticism of Revelation, plenty. What there isn’t is any sort of legitimate ground to be had on the “real fan” angle. Revelation goes out of its way to pick plot lines and lore from every piece of MOTU material that was contemporary to the original toyline. There is no, Revelation isn’t for “real fans” or Revelation betrays the source material, argument to be had. That’s just plain ignorance. I suppose it can be insulting, if someone can insult you with their own ignorance.

 

I agree. Sometimes I think it's also not what is expressed but how people choose to express themselves.

 

I didn't go into spaces where people who enjoyed Teen Titans Go were discussing their enjoyment of it because I didn't want to hear about it, LOL! I had better things to do  

But this site is absolutely full of people who can't stand the idea that someone, somewhere, in the universe, is having a good time enjoying anything they personally dislike. You and I, sadly, are in the minority around here.

 

I finally got around to watching part 2, and I have to say, it was better. The character writing is still a little fucky, and I rolled my eyes quite a bit, but I think in the end, for what the show was, it was good.

 

I originally popped back in here out of vague curiosity of how it ended, but all I've seen is people complaining about how evil those who didn't watch part two are for the past three pages. Maybe if you guys just ignored the "haters" and instead discussed the show, the thread would be more than a circlejerk of negativity. As of now, the "haters" are living rent-free in your heads.

Anyone who bitched endlessly about TFA in every SW thread for three+ years straight has no room to call others haters.

 

But I didn't act like people enjoying it was a personal attack against me. That would've been pretty fucking weird.

Like others have been saying, bringing legit criticism is fine. It's stuff like saying no real fan would like it, or harping on about imaginary political agendas, and hyperbole about insulting people's childhoods that's offputting. Someone repeatedly coming back to bark about just exactly how much they "don't care" is possibly the most obnoxious and bizarre. Living in your head rent-free indeed.

 

It all boils down to what I said back here: Netflix plans a He-Man cartoon

These toxic subsets of the various fandoms are obligated to cook up as much controversy as possible, because it's a transparent attempt at forcing their subjective opinions down everybody's throats as objective fact. No, they can't be wrong. They're defending their fandom from some big bad boogeyman. It's never personal responsibility "I don't like this thing" anymore. It's "so-and-so is forcing me to hate this thing" because such-and-such agenda, such-and-such culture.

It's all impotent flailing as a result of perceived loss of control. They're no longer the sole arbitrators of their own fandom anymore, and they're throwing tantrums like spoiled brats because of that.

Digging back even further, it's all symptomatic of the pathological human distaste for being wrong. The anonymity of the internet just allows people to proxy themselves behind "movements", shielding them from the consequences of their errors.

 

Speaking of digging, the Star Wars thing is really funny to me because I did have specific criticisms, and now that the ST has concluded, most of my criticisms (mystery boxes, lack of a coherent plan, haphazard character development, etc) were proved accurate as close to objectively as is possible with something like that--to the point that J.J. Abrams himself lamented that the trilogy could've been a lot better if they'd had a solid plan for it. My opinions on it aren't even controversial anymore. I can talk a lot, but what I've said is demonstrably reasonable.

Also, once I exhausted everything I wanted to get off my chest about it (and granted there was a lot)... I left. I didn't keep on about it for over a fucking decade like the Prequel bashers are doing to this very day. I didn't keep coming back, when nobody mentioned me, wasn't talking about my specific issues, etc. as if I was a dog and somebody blew a whistle. I might pop in if there was news or commentary directly related to those pet issues... and then I left again. I would reply if people engaged with me, of course. That's how conversation works. But if people talked about specific things that other naysayers were doing, I didn't take it as an attack on me. I even gave TFA its due for the things that I thought were good about it. And it's still cool with me if people enjoy the sequels despite their issues.

"Hater"  

 

You got pretty up your own fumes about how people who liked it were just enjoying the shallow repetition of the original films, and you were very smart for noticing that. If you mean me, as far as coming back, I came in to see what the consensus was after it popped back onto the front page, and made one comment agreeing with someone else about both sides being rude. I was then told that I had no right to an opinion because I only watched half of the show, and that is totally the same as reading one chapter of a book (because reading a single chapter seemingly takes the person 2-3 hours?).

Who the heck has even done this within the last month? I read back and it was a couple of people who said they have a right to dislike it and everyone else talking about "the haters."

I will leave you all to your corner, but I already know that it won't change anything. Ironically, I still have no idea how it ended, but apparently it was so mediocre that no one wants to discuss anything about it or potential sequels. Just that the haters were wrong, you were right, totally owning those "haters" and they should feel very silly. If they ever actually cared enough to come back to this thread, I'm sure that they would. Instead you'll have to settle for chasing off those who dropped it after the first half and came back to see if it got better.

 

I thought it was pretty clear that I was speaking on the toxicity in fandoms in general, rather than calling out anybody in particular.

However, my initial word on the subject was in direct response to a particularly self-important post.

 

I don’t think any of you are true fans. So there!

Now, if y’all excuse me I’ll be leaving this sub Reddit and heading back to TFW…

 

Preposterous. Isn't it clear by now that everything is just about him?

Pro tip: If if someone complains about a behavior you're not doing, they're probably not talking about you. If it doesn't apply to you, maybe don't throw yourself in front of it.

 

If you can hold a grudge over how you perceive comments from literally years back, I don't think you get to set a one-month time limit on people being disgruntled about what happened to this thread much more recently. And insinuating that none of us really liked it pretty much nullifies your right to complain about anyone's (largely perceived) snotty or presumptuous attitude. "Mask off" as they say. Don't let the door hitcha.

 

I would consider this one of the more fun and interesting scenes.

The entirety of eternity, of all time and space. Some see it as territory for their own taking, others see it as a range so huge for any relevance/significance to last and are driven to nihilism.