X-Transbots MX-?? Bulwark (MP G1 Bulkhead)

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  1. Liampope

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    Mitsubishi. Looking even better, but...

    Can it come with a better Bulkhead head before a Hound head, please! :)  Like what most people are asking for. Thanks.
     
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    Yea, don't want or need a Hound head, G1 Hound is already an established figure, no need to muddy the waters.
     
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    Took me a bit but I remember what kind of facemask this needs to be like and it should be like Runamuck and Runabout with how the plate sits under the nose rather than over it.[​IMG]

    Naturally the eyes and helmet design should be different but this is what I was thinking in how the lower jaw should look like.
     
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    Really fast drawing, so it’s not refined or anything, but what about something like this?
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    Bulkhead’s head is a bit difficult to make G1, but I’d think his mask/jaw would be below his nose, and I’d think his brow would be unexposed similar to how Ratchet or Wheeljack’s helmets go all the way down to the top of their eyes.
    I don’t think the helmet would be completely smooth like Ratchet, it need a little bit of angulature, but it should definitely be bigger than the helmet on Bulkhead’s animated or prime character model.

    He needs round ear cups, and the two lines above his helmet and the line on his jaw to really maintain the characters design elements. I feel the line on the jaw can be used to add a g1 chin beard if so desired. And personally I think the jaw should be green.

    also, there needs to be some curvature, but if the helmet and face is too round it won’t match the body.
     
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    I like the eyes but a G1 style head should have the nose separate from the helmet 'cap' and jaw should be a bit higher.
     
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    jaw doesn't need to be higher, any higher and it would be up his nose. all the pics I've seen look like the helmet has a nose guard so I think what he has drawn up looks pretty spot on.
     
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    Good call, especially on the separate nose.

    This was just a quick doodle, definitely could use some more refining.
     
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    I like the sketch but agree with you about the nose and mask/jaw height. If this is going to be G1, I don’t think the nose can be part of the helmet. That’s too Prime-like. And the jaw concept doesn’t work for G1– it needs to be a mouth plate, which means it must be high enough to actually cover the mouth behind it. In this sketch, the true mouth would be visible through the tooth gaps.
    I think if there are going to be “teeth” in the mouth plate, they should only be suggestions— maybe indentations, but not cut-outs.
     
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    Yeah he definitely needs a completely different head on him. Current one looks almost exactly like Prime bulkhead. Which would be a good thing if his body looked anything like prime Bulkhead. But since the body is a weird G1 body, give him a weird G1 head.
     
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    I’m on the way out the door (waiting on the gf lol) so not a lot of time to spend on fixing it, but I drew a line separating the nose and raised the top of the jaw a mm or so.
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    Better? Jaw probably still needs to be higher, but it might not be terrible if it stayed lower and exposed a top lip when it moved.
     
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    Definitely better.

    For the nose are we looking at this face head on where the angle of picture doesn't show it spreading out a bit?

    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Not as exageratted on S3 image (and I know there are better but I can't find any atm) but the above are some examples.
     
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    Ya i just didn’t put all the details. I indended to add the lines, but wasn’t sure how wide to make the nose and didn’t have time to play with the shapes.
     
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    Trap-jaw?

    I like it but Trap-jaw?
     
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    Lol, honestly wasn’t even thinking trap jaw. Just looking at animated Bulkhead next to some g1 heads.

    I think any character with a big jaw with an 80s aesthetic is gonna draw comparisons to trap Jaw though, it’s kinda unavoidable
     
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    For me THIS is the winner. I usually back whatever @RVDA comes up with but not this time! :) 
     
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    Yeah this just about nails it.
     
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    Mixmaster doesn't think the same...

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    Here's my own doodle. Credit to thestampeded for starting this off:

    G1BulkheadHead.jpg

    Nowhere close to perfect but if anyone else wants to try or digibash this with cel colors be my guest.
     
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    That head does not fit at all visually lol

    Edit: I mean the one on the product images, not the drawing above
     
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