Not much different, I'd imagine. The story wasn't too influenced by where it took place.

 

I previously espoused the idea, that Shockwave being an overseer of the space bridge was a metaphor creation. The meaning of the metaphor, was that means and ends were united by Shockwave, since he was a professional morality theme.

In this respect, I suppose you're right, that the story being set in the US wasn't an influence on Shockwave, but, there might be other characters who were influenced by the US setting - who do you think might apply?

 

Given differences in 1980s working class culture, I think Spike and the mundane parts of his life might've been considerably different.

 

Spike and Sparkplug would've 'ad some kind of North'en accent, because tha's 'ow you know someone's workin' class on Bri'ish teleh.
Ironhide would have an almost incomprehensible Cornish accent, obviously.

Otherwise probably not much difference other than some of the the settings and accents, we've got power plants and all that stuff for the Decepticons to pillage, and there was quite a bit of globetrotting in G1 anyway. Maybe they'd do something with Stonehenge and some other UK landmarks as well, or the Decepticons try to claim the Isles of Scilly for themselves or something silly like that.

 

Whatever you say, Mr. Thesaurus.

 

Admit it.

You're secretly Spinister.

 

come on. that's uncalled for.

Thesauruses are useful.

 

So what you're saying, is that had the show been set in Britain, Spike being a worker employee would've ben depicted with hostility by the writers.

I will say though: I'm grateful to Spike, because of the visual alignment between himself and Carly.

 

That's... not what he's saying. And what does Spike being involved with Carly have anything to do with it?

 

Are we talking about if the show was us written but set in england, or written in england? Because my initial answers were if it was written by english writers, but I'm not sure if you meant that, or if it was the same writers and just set in england? If it was the american writers and set in england, then i dont think much would change, other than a whole load of british stereotypes would be around.

 

I'm interested in your last point - about UK stereotypes.
When Michael Bay made The Last Knight, he depicted Quintessa in a way that transcended nationalism. His Gemma Chan interference was in collusion with this transcendence, so that could be taken as a signal that the original writers of the show would find a way to not have UK stereotypes.

 

I don't think anything Bay did could be taken as a signal of intent for the original show writers. They are far too removed from each other. However, oddly, other than Vivian being a posh british stereotype, TLK, for all it's faults, didn't seem to have that many british stereotypes that I could see.

I do, however, love Quintessa and Gemma Chan in all things she stars in. I would be very happy for her to reprise that role in a future series.

 

I recently watched a fanfilm on YouTube, about Unicron and Quintessa after TLK; I told the creators of the video that because the Gemma Chan version was a chronological magic, it was ambiguous whether or not she should show up in the video - to my demise, the video creator said they didn't have the money to pay Chan to show up, but apart from that, they were a good sport.

In general, I think that Chan's presence in the film's climax is good enough reason to continue the Bayverse. Sam Witwicky's history seems to make him exempt from the power of Quintessa, due to his Shockwave-professional morality theme insinuation, but who knows.

Chan was also great in Humans, I agree

 

If burton is to be believed (and I think he's talking all bollocks and is an unreliable narrator in the film), Sam is dead. Although it's not hard to imagine Cemetery Wind made him their first port of call when they started hunting Autobots. Don't know what you mean about the Shockwave morality?

Yeah, Chan has certainly made a name for herself now so would be pretty pricey to get I reckon. She was in a few shows before humans, like Doctor Who, but Humans was what made her hit the big time. And with good reason. I seriously kept forgetting I was not actually watching a robot in that show when she was acting as Anita.

 

Optimus: "You are defeated, sir Megatron."

Megatron: "Oh bloody hell."

 

Honestly, does anyone know what is meant by any of his posts. 98% of the time it's utter nonsensical ramblings.

 

He wrote basic sentences, got some of his words and used a thesaurus to make them seem longer and smarter, and says shit about "art" and "philosophy" without knowing jackshit about either. Trying to find deep shit about philosophy in a franchise that, first and foremost, is a glorified toy advertisement is pointless.

 

You, forgot, all, about, his, extra, commas.

 

I just researched the Wiki and Transformers Wiki of Sam, and can't tell if he's dead. The photograph of Sam in TLK might just be a general acknowledgement, or better yet, an in-universe in-joke, which would be befitting the Bayverse aura.

In terms of Shockwave, I mean that in the G1 series, his status as a doctor who doesn't generally take part in any violence, and who oversees the creation of the space bridge (a unification of means and ends, always a gallant effort) has led me to categorize Shockwave as a moral essence - out of universe, of course.

More to the confirmation, of Shockwave as a moral symbol, is the conflation between himself and Soundwave, in which the latter is "inexplicably" exempt from any criticism from Megatron, irrespective of anything. So this helps me to perceive a symbolism, surrounding Shockwave, who on a number of occasions is threatened by Megatron.

Lastly: in the 1986 movie, when Unicron attacks Cybertron, the macro event of a Decepticon calling out to the others while being attacked by a villain could be seen as yet more symbolism, of Shockwave's "unknown" presence as a moral force.

I've previously said, on this forum, that at the end of TLK, Gemma Chan's Quintessa is able to be a small dose that defeats 5 movies of ideology.

 

I'm gonna need a translation on this. I don't speak deranged.