Miraculous Ladybug

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  1. bearytrek

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    nah, she's going to sacrifice her love for Adrien (they will have discovered each others' identities by then) by wishing he was a real individual and reset the universe...of course they will end on a hopeful note by showing there are still inklings of memories of their love in the newly created universe and start the process of coming together all over again...

    i saw a tweet by Winny, the animator, that seemed to imply the last season 4 episodes would be psychomedian, quilan, kuro neko and penalteam...implying the two-part "last attack of shadow moth" (risk & strike back) would be pushed to July 2022 when season 5 debuts (the Rio special will be May 2022)...

    of course now it looks like Ukraine has plans to air Risk sooner...
     
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    Ah, Miraculous, a show with so much potential, squandered by...Bizarre writing decisions and an absolute nightmare of behind-the-scenes production.
    There's so much I like about the show but I think it's more in spite of the show more than because of it. A lot of great ideas, not great execution.
     
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    I chuckle a bit at the Marinette stans on Twitter, as if you question them they are happy to trot out a long list of Marinette's achievement's abilites and traits. But off the flipping rails if you mention any of her downsides - like a self-centred attitude to leadership, abandoning Chloe, being violent towards Cat Noir, stealing things (a whole lot of things), being way to keen to spend other people's money but not her own. and the jealousy issues.

    Now to be fair to the girl the Jealousy isn't constant and she usually realises it's bad and tries to stop herself but it also keeps comming back.

    But I can't help but notice the problems with the writing that compare the way the show was set up and what it is now.
    Or how at times "Ladynoir" do not even seem like friends at all.

    Adrien's behaviour often make me start to think - people should be keeping the Paris child protection services number on their phone too.
    I'm just not sure who he needs protecting from more Gabriel and Nathalie or Marinette.

    I read a fanfiction once that made me chuckle, the premise being Luka and Adrien were a couple and Marinette was his creepy stalker.
    what I found hilarious was that they barely had to change her behaviour, just Adrien's attitude to it.

    I won't go on about it right now - or you will get another wall of text from me, and I might repeat myself, but yeah the writing on this show is a serious concern and reading up on what "animation fans" have to say they have concerned me even more as Thomas seemingly has form for nosediving shows and likle JJ abrams not sticking the landing.

    Speaking of JJ - I have a serious concern that the show might paint itselef into such a corner that the only way out of it is a temporal loop that removes the miraculous from play so that no one had them in the 1st place (such as Marinette picking the book, and Peacock & Butterfly Miraculous out of the snow). The implication being that Gabriel doesn't become a bady guy and His wife doesn't get ill and Adrien can go to school and be dating marinette inside a month of meeting her.

    HOWEVER : The Shanghai special put a spanner in the works on that a bit by implying Gabriel had reasons unrelated to his wife's coma to be looking for the Prodigious 15 years previously.

    Now oh boy could I come up with some reasons for that - but to be honest is the Prodigous even that useful - all it is in shape changing.
     
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    Ah so I can finally piece together what this was all about then.
    But I have to wonder did they think no one would notice that the outfit is just Style Queen's in another colour.

    Now I have to wonder if that picture (I can't find right now) of Marinette's (actual uncle not Great Uncle) who I guess is Sabine's Brother in Law might come to something in Season 5 too.

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    Much to my shock Ghostforce managed to get released without me even noticing and it's already up to episode #15

    Also.

    I was thinking about "The Magician" and I got to wondering are they an akuma, or some other kind of character, and the art for Miraculous Awakening shows multiple Akuma at once - I wonder if they are responsible for that - it's not unheard of ; Puppeteer can do that for example.

    I have no idea what the deal is with this (seems to be fan made) but I thought it was cool enough to share :



    Also it is still Christmas (season) so I will post this too (in case anyone missd it) :

     
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    That 2022 banner is interesting. it has Chloe as Queen Bee on it and Rena Rouge not Rena Furtive.
    Yet also has Lady Lion on it so.. it's suggesting the future not the past - if it was suggesting the past surely it would have Lady Dragon on it too ?
    Bit odd though.
     
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    I apparently live under a rock, because I only just learned today that they officially announced seasons 6 & 7 months ago. Along with more “Miraculous World” specials and a 2nd movie already going into production.

    Holy shit. This thing is going to run for over a decade.
     
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    And still only a single season on DVD to re-watch outside of the re-runs if I wanted to re-record episodes.

    Man, some times I wish streaming hadn't taken off so hard core because it has fully destroyed my lovely physical media collection to the point of why should I fucking bother anymore?

    Oh well, at least there's new airings to enjoy.
     
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    guess new episodes might be released on Disney + tomorrow...we shall see...
     
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    I was just thinking- how is there not a videogame for this series? Sure, there’s a couple mobile games, but not even a minimum effort, quick cash-in game on consoles?

    I’d play it. Especially if you could pick from all the heroes from the first 4 seasons. If it were a really big game, then maybe even toss in the New York & Shanghai heroes. Could be fun.
     
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    Maybe they're waiting for the long delayed animated film to give it a merchandising push...

    Seems like you would need the north American market to justify the costs to produce it and the NA market is completely barren as far as merch...

    Since season 5 is supposed to air in the summer maybe the film can come out in the spring, but they haven't even been able to get even a teaser trailer out for a film that was supposed to release last year so thats highly unlikely
     
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    Honestly the production of this show is such a nightmare behind the scenes that, even with the pandemic, I'm not surprised there's been so many delays and a merchandise wasteland.
     
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    I know they changed animation studios, and Thomas Astruc is widely regarded as a … not the best mouthpiece for his own show… but what else has happened??
     
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    The Animation House DQ went Bankrupt - delaying a bunch of episodes in the process.

    I have a suspicion *just my own thoughts nothing to back it up* that as smag is responsible for Ghostforce and they actually decided they wanted to make it after all that may have caused delays too - also it seems their new animation houses were making a crap tone of mistakes and that also caused delays - some of the mistakes made it to screen unfortunately - heck they have even started having sound issues which they never had before. (Guilt Trip's sound is very broken for example).

    Unfortunately if SMAG is still making Ghostforce and is also making the sequel to Miraculous Awakening as well then their best people will not be working on the show.

    It isn't until you remove the people who do care about what they are doing that you realise how many little subtlties SMAG put into the show in the 1st season.

    There seems to be some serious budget and production issues with the show - such as them complaining endlessly about how they can't afford to make a Kitchen for the Agreste mansion, or how a whole bunch of things the show could do with they just do not have - such as Nino's lack of Parents or a home, or missing younger siblings for Kim and Ivan.

    Though my personal favorite ongoing bugbears are :
    1) Ondine's lack of day clothes (she only has a swimming costume still)
    2) That they keep having Marinette out in the rain without a coat - when she has a coat modeled for her already from the Christmas special.
    3) Though there is also story and character issues gallore - such as those I have with Nathalie, Penny Rolling, Kagami & Luka.
    4) There remains the issue of the Lila Ladyblog videos too. Or just Lila in general is a huge plot hole.

    I have not been a huge fan of much of Season 4 so far - in many ways for me it's failed to mention things it should have, it's made Marinette and Adrien act in out of character ways and they keep using Bob Roth - who I can't stand !
     
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    With all of that in consideration, may I recommend an AU fan comic that I have thoroughly enjoyed? Scarlet Lady has been a treat, just for the amount of effort that went into altering the plots of episodes to fit within the different dynamic of the comic compared to the show - and I kind really wish the show's supporting cast were even half as developed as they are in this comic (which is impressive since the comic is entirely loose adaptations of show episodes).

    A lot of the fan content I've seen is great, and it makes me wish the show could be just as fun as the fans make it.
     
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    At a glance it looks like it has some similarities with some other stories I am reading :

    The Adventures Of Lady Luck
    The Adventures Of Lady Luck - Cornerverse - Miraculous Ladybug [Archive of Our Own]

    Miraculous tales of Scarlet Luck & Chat Noir
    Miraculous tales of Scarlet Luck & Chat Noir - RainlyRena - Miraculous Ladybug [Archive of Our Own]

    Or there is this one : Alternates :
    Alternates - Chapter 1 - BlueZeroZeroOne - Miraculous Ladybug [Archive of Our Own]

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    I've not read it but this story is set in the same universe as Scarlet Lady :
    Scarlet Lady Au: Two Halves of Marinette’s Heart - Cornholio4 - Miraculous Ladybug [Archive of Our Own]

    There is also this one with a Ladybug Chloe and Bee Marinette : (i've also not read this one)
    Origins of the Bee - Chapter 1 - Snugglebuttkitten - Miraculous Ladybug [Archive of Our Own]
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    I've been reading a few good ones lately where Alix is the main character instead ; which also works quite well. "Triple Super" being a good example which is about a miraculous team of Bunnyx, Ryuko & Queen Bee. The interpersonal dynamics are really well realised - though it was originally written in spanish so it's way ahead in the spanish version. The fic has some really interesting ideas - such as Gabe using his money and influence to harm the heroes reps behind the scenes. and how the girls keep managing to fall out in a number of complicated ways while one of them plays peace maker. & as they don't at first know all of each other identities the way they interact in an out of the costume is slightly different too.

    In general though this is a really powerful Chloe fic : (may be my fave fic Period !)
    The Menagerie
    The Menagerie - Chapter 1 - DeviJhonas - Miraculous Ladybug [Archive of Our Own]

    This is interesting it's Zoe's POV as she tries to puzzle out what happened with Miracle Queen and why Chloe is so tetchy whenever someone mentions Kagami :
    A Study in Sisterhood
    A Study in Sisterhood - Chapter 1 - Hellioning - Miraculous Ladybug [Archive of Our Own]

    This is a charming slow burn - slight sad chloe redemption / nath love story fic that is quite enjoyable too :
    Tearing through the Pages and the Ink
    Tearing through the Pages and the Ink - Chapter 1 - musiclvr1112 - Miraculous Ladybug [Archive of Our Own]

    I read something similar to that where Chloe snuck her way into art school under a false identity and had Nathaniel interested in her.. unfortunately that one was just getting good and got abandoned.
    I was reading one called : The Journal of Chloe Bourgeois
    But it got way to dark 2/3rds of the way through which was a shame as before it got stupidy death happy it was pretty good.
    Some with a higher tolerance for needless violence than me might like it more I guess.


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    Anyway not long now to Kuro Neko - so that should give us something to talk about.
     
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    I always hear people talk about how the original animation studio would add in more details and stuff, but no one ever gets specific as to what exactly. Any examples? Is there a good video out there explaining what they mean? I’d really like to see a good comparison.
     
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    sometimes I think its just a matter of going the extra distance with rendering...samg episodes generally look a lot crisper and have more elaborate staging?

    at first I thought it might be some studios add in some character animation, little things like Ladybug's facial expressions that go above and beyond what is storyboarded, but after seeing some of the animatics they used to post on youtube I guess all of that is planned in advance...