Yeah, I’m a little worried about Kenobi now. I hope that creative team handles it better than BOBF’s team.

 

I don't think one really has anything to say about the other, legacy characters or not. Mando was showrun by Filoni and Favreau. Boba is showrun by Rodriguez. Amini and Chow are on Obi-Wan. That's all different creative teams doing different things, not really any different than the D+ Marvel shows

 

Obi-Wan having a rematch with Darth Vader seems like a huge red flag with that show. It feels like a marketing decision rather than a story-based one. It reminds me of how Obi-Wan fought General Grievous every other week in The Clone Wars despite the dialogue in ROTS implying they’ve never fought before. They’re contradicting lines from the movies just to have more lightsaber fights.

 

A thought came to me today in regards to peoples dislike of the more honorable and less ruthless Boba Fett characterization. It actually makes perfect sense to me. Remember, he's a clone, unaltered yes, but still a clone. At his core he's a copy of Jango that has his own life experiences. The clone troopers were the same, just with behavioral modifications. Compare Rex and Boba, at their cores they're very similar, Boba just has less regard for rules and regulations. It kind of helps to inform the kind of man that Jango Fett was since we got very little of him. Kind of a nature vs nurture thing. Jango was honorable, so at their core the clones are as well, but their experiences shape how that honor presents itself.

 

I think this show is great so far. I really like how it is bridging multiple parts of Star Wars universe together, OT, PT, EU, Clone Wars, Marvel comics and the Mandalorian. I dig it. It’s different and I appreciate that. Also Temuera is in great shape for being 60. I hope I look that good in my underwear when I’m 60 lol.

 

I guess what we got so far was too good to last long...
Well this was a big step back. It felt almost anime levels dumb, that after 2 episodes of worldbuilding they just abruptly kill off ALL the Tusken in the flashback. And I find it hard to believe these badass warriors were so easily killed by a biker gang. How would they even find them in the desert, and surely they have posted guards at night...
The Hutts were also quickly taken out of the equation and I guess the Pykes (man the prosthetics on the unmasked ones are pretty bad) are the main baddies now. As I expected, Krrshtan remains a non-character, when will Star Wars start subtitling races who don't speak common? I found it ridiculous he just threw Boba around and slapped him instead of, y'know, stabbing him or shooting him. What sort of an assassin arrives to kill someone without bringing any weapons?
So I guess Rancor can be depressed? I knew about them being ridden as warbeasts on Dathomir - the SW miniature game had such a mini once, with a tattooed Rancor. I kept expecting this whole thing to be a trick though, and that instead of imprinting the Rancor would eat Boba. Danny Trejo fits the bill as grizzled trainer nicely though, but I still cannot help but imagine him in a fur loincloth like the original trainer.  
Worst part of the episode was sadly that Boba hired the diversity anime-hair-color cyborg squad, who ride on colorful chrome mopeds (despite not having any jobs and money, apparently, they are still rich enough to afford those, and implants?) They felt like live action Neutrinos from TMNT, and something out of the Attack of the Clones' Coruscant's upper levels, not something that belongs on drab and poor Mos Espa.

Except Jango never played fair and wasn't honorable. He killed his partner with a poison dart before she could squeal to the Jedi, and he used every dirty tactic in the book when fighting Jedi in that movie.
And Boba was far from that too. He tried to blow up Mace Windu several times.
I understand that this guy is 60 years old - now, the actor, that is - and that he wants to give up bounty hunting and get a cushy crime lord job. But given that this happens what, a few years after Boba fell in the Sarlacc? It feels like he was apparently way past his prime in Return of the Jedi, too.
Also, gotta say what's been bothering me is that the actor looks like a tank - he is squat and wide. Boba looked far more lean and of average build in the old movies.

Guess you never watched the show, then? They made quite big efforts to have Anakin and Grievous NEVER meet. The only time they came close was when both of them were captured and traded in a prisoner exchange on Naboo, but both were barely conscious.
And I say Anakin, because he is the one whom Grievous mentions in the movie like they never met before. Obi-Van and Grievous met before.
Grievous Meets Anakin - Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith

If anything, from the 3 movies (yes, Boba appears in the extended / new version of a New Hope too) it felt like Boba was working strictly for Jabba instead of being a freelancer. So no, I think he took the place more out of practical reasons, in that he knew the location and the situation better than if he just tried to take over some brand new location.

Not even Clownfish are that stupid to mention 2 women who have nothing to do with this show in their clickbait. But Kennedy? She is a producer on this.

 

My issue is that I (probably foolishly) pictured this show akin to "The Sopranos"; with Fett acting like a Mafia-esque crime boss.

 

Where did I mention Anakin? I was commenting that the dialogue in ROTS implies that Obi-Wan and Grievous never fought before - not that they haven’t met before. Grievous says that he has been trained by Count Dooku, implying that Obi-Wan has no familiarity with his fighting style. When the movie came out this was true, but since the release of the show, this isn’t the case anymore. The dialogue is awkward now because Grievous is bragging about his skills even though Obi-Wan is well-aware of them.

A similar case of this is with Anakin and Count Dooku. In ROTS, Anakin talks about how his powers have doubled since last they’ve met. Before TCW, this was in reference to their first fight in AOTC. However, they’ve since fought throughout the show and it now reads like “My powers have doubled since last month.”

My concern with the Obi-Wan show is that they’re going to strain plausibility in regards to what he did between ROTS and ANH. Suddenly, he’s no longer in self-imposed exile and leaves Tatooine to fight an Inquisitor and Darth Vader. You have pieces of dialogue like Vader no longer being the learner being out of place now.

 

I’ve been trying to figure out what this show is exactly. It’s not a “Breaking Bad” type story with the good man going bad. It’s not “The Shield” with a bad man lying to themselves about doing good. It’s not “Sopranos” with a mafia guy doing mafia things.

I simply don’t understand Boba’s motives. He shoots Bib Fortuna dead in cold blood, then wants to take the high road. He wants to run a crime family. Literally everyone is telling him how to run a crime family. But he wants to run it his way, even when his way isn’t making a lot of sense.

Again, Temora is awesome. Ming-Wa is awesome. I’m here for all 7 episodes. I just wish the show gave the characters some better material.

 

My hope is the whole Tusken Raider stuff is going to come around and close the loop on Fett's new honor code and what he thinks his place on Tatooine needs to be. But that just reinforces my "this should just be told chronologically" stance. I think the flashback structure is doing more harm than good.

 

That's actually my issue at the moment. I think once the flashbacks are done they're going to inform us as to why Boba is doing things this way now. However, due to the nature in which they're telling the story the whole thing is coming off just a little clunky. And I say that as someone who generally likes the direction they're going with Boba.

 

The only character that has been the least bit interesting to me is Black Krrsantan.

Introduce him in episode 1, have him trying to kill Boba like we see and get captured. Have the Hutt twins dip out as they do, but have Boba offer Black Krrsantan a spot on his crew to take over the crime world. There's your show setup. Boba/Fennec/Krrsantan overtaking the criminal element the rest of the way.

But instead we get non-stop Bacta Tank product placement, magic lizards shooting up noses, and SO MUCH FUCKING SAND.

 

I still think Vader and Ben’s duel is gonna be a mental thing, but yeah he’s probably going off world for the Inquisitor.

 

Agreed. She feels superfluous. Maybe she is added so that the traditionally ruthless Boba Fett seems like a calm and reserved guy in comparison to her, but thing is... Boba IS already too calm and reserved, even if he is just doing this to prepare and conserve his strength.
From what we saw of Fennec in Bad Batch and Mandalorian, she is a ruthless assassin who will kill even defenseless civilians if they get in the way of her target, and who absolutely would go back on her word, cheat and lie. So really weird that she is basically Boba's attack dog on a leash and just does whatever she is told instead of finding proper bounties on her own. I really wonder if we will see a reveal of just why she is sticking around. Loyalty for saving her life once, only goes so far.

Nah, they are clearly these guys:

She is so pasty-faced that yeah, she looks fake. Plastic surgery maybe?  

I am starting to agree there. We never see the sister's left arm.

 

You can definitely critique individual chapters (I've made criticisms myself), but I'm saying it's not fair to judge the entire approach based on the first few chapters. It would be like judging the Hobbit based on the first couple chapters. "What? All they did was sing some songs and get captured by some goofy trolls. So slow and lame. When are they going to get to the dragon?" I'm actually someone who did find the Hobbit slow back when I first read it, it didn't really click with me until the Gollum riddle chapter.

I disagree that there's "nothing going on". Boba is building his team, learning who his enemies are, and we're seeing his journey to this point via flashbacks. We got a huge development with the Tusken plot this episode, learned the Mayor is up to some shady stuff, and got more clarity on who the villains are. Not to mention setting up Boba's Rancor and foreshadowing how he'll use it in combat later this season. Nothing here felt like filler.

I feel the same way. I want to be optimistic, but I'm honestly going to lower my expectations and just expect dumb fun. The idea of Obi-Wan having a rematch with Darth Vader is silly to me, as is the very idea of taking him off Tatooine. Would it really be that hard to just make a smaller story confined to Tatooine? Heck, Boba Fett is doing that, why not Obi-Wan?

I honestly think this is why a lot of people are feeling cynical towards the show. I think a lot of people got their hopes up for a violent adult crime drama where Boba takes heads, disintegrates all his rivals, and delves into the complications of running a crime syndicate. But you have to keep in mind Star Wars is a kids' brand, and they can't go too mature or adult.

 

They introduced the show to the audience by having Boba Fett straight up murder someone and take his place. No conversation. No words at all. Just shot the guy dead.

They've gotten nowhere near that characterization in the actual show, and I think that's why a lot of people are feeling cynical towards the show.

 

It's still a really odd choice of consciousness in a fictional universe where slaves are very much a thing and are often seen on screen.

If, in the narrative of the show Boba decided that "Slave 1" was no longer a suitable name for it given his change of mindset, sure. But just to rename it because some in the broader audience may find it cringy... meh. Whoever made that decision is just catering to a vocal bunch of whiners.

"Indentured Servitude Uno, you are clear for landing pad 3 on the Kessel Spice route to collect your next shipment of... loooongterm employees?"

 

No-one complaining about Boba Fett’s characterization in this is allowed to complain about them obliterating Legends, lest they look like a hypocrite. Because that’s what you are. Boba has been honorable ever since he got expanded on past ROTJ in the old EU. He doesn’t even think premarital sex is permissible in Legends. I’ve said this before, but anti-fans will say whatever. It doesn’t matter if it squares with the truth, so as long as it reinforces their worldview, or in the case of some particularly large voices, gets them clicks.

Long and short of it is that a lot of the arguments about Boba’s characterization being wrong are based solely on what we see of him in the first three movies.

 

Most of the complaints people have about Boba Fett’s characterization in this thread are about how inconsistent it is to the epilogue in The Mandalorian. Multiple people have mentioned Bib Fortuna’s execution (myself included), but I’ll also include the fact that Boba Fett was threatening to have Fennec shoot Grogu, a baby unless he got his armor back. Boba Fett has a sense of honor (even in The Mandalorian), but he’s also still merciless.
The complaints are about him labeling himself a crime lord without actually wanting to act like one.

 

The Bib Fortuna scene has to be addressed. The flashbacks are all pre-Fortuna, and the rest is post. I'd be shocked if we don't see the Bib's demise with full context by the end.