The Official Rant Thread

Discussion in 'Transformers Toy Discussion' started by Capirus, Jul 31, 2018.

  1. WallflowerBlush

    WallflowerBlush Well-Known Member

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    Rant: I hate when soundwave and blaster turn into something other then a cassette player. Doesn't fit their characters and there is no modern technology that can fit their tape gimmick better then tapes
     
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    How about a PEZ dispenser?
     
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    Heh ok yeah that would work. I'd be down for PEZ soundwave. What ever his robot mode would look pretty bad most likely. Especially if it has to accommodate for holding multiple 'pez' bots
     
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    Maybe make him all spindly and lanky like Prime Soundwave. Really lean into making him look creepy since it will be a kid's toy turning into a monster.
     
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    It's unlikely we'll get all the combiners again. Think about how many releases it took to get to where we are pre-Legacy. I think this is more so a target of opportunity for Hasbro to fix what was clearly the first, and worst, Combiner of the CW era.

    Mass market:
    Superion - 5 figures + 1 exclusive
    Defensor - 5 figures + 1 exclusive
    Motormater - 6 figures
    Bruticus - 5 figures
    Abominus - 5 figures

    Oversized:
    Predaking
    Constructicons

    Exclusive
    Computron
    Seacons (6x $35 online only releases)
    Victorion

    Even cutting out the ones who came later (Abominous, Seacons), and Victorion, we're still looking at more figures than is feasible for any line so long as the core is Commander-class (which might not always need to be the case, but who knows). And even then, it's still a lot of figures if you intend to do anyone who isn't a combiner.

    I think the most likely case is that instead of redoing all of them, Hasbro will try and fix them roughly in order from weakest to strongest. Motormaster was the obvious first choice. Second? I'd go for Defensor. The limbs are fine but their transformation scheme for Hot Spot's combiner mode is just, not great. The question then becomes if it's worth doing Superion and Bruticus. I don't think that's clear. Superion 's legs are his weakest part but he's otherwise good. Bruticus... I mean, I'm sure we'll get him at some point because they're easy to market military vehicles. But can Silverbolt and Onslaught pull off Commander class? That'd be even a bigger stretch than Rodiums in my book, even with Combiner parts.
     
  6. JazzAlert13

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    I mean I don’t mind when it’s changed I just hate when they keep it G1esque without going all the way like the WFC/FOC games. I prefer when it’s a completely new take like Prime.
     
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    PEZ soundwave inspired by prime soundwaves look. Could work.. would have to be a bit chunky of a pez dispenser still
     
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    While I agree there's a lot of G1 stuff, the Sunbow cartoon is not that represented when it comes to toys. It just got its own dedicated line with SS86 in 2021. Bayverse, Bumblebee movie, Animated, Prime, etc. and hell even Angry Birds Transformers all had their own lines before it did. I find it odd because without that cartoon I don't think any of that stuff would have existed.
     
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    I'm sure they will redo every combiner.
    Hasbro is running out of G1 characters and getting desperate.
    Look at Skids, Crankcase, Pointblank in Legacy.

    They can get away with remaking the combiners but the other main characters most G1ers won't rebuy them yet, so they have to stall for a few years redoing combiners and then pray they can convince G1ers to rebuy the whole cast again or the generations line is done.
     
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    In all the times I've seen MPs at retail, whether it was Walmart, TRU, or Target... They inevitably end up on clearance, or they sell one case and they're done. It's an expensive gamble and one that doesn't pay off. I don't blame them for backing out of it. It's insane to sit on $100s in terms of products that just sit there and/or lose money when they go on clearance. That's just one store, now imagine how much that adds up to when you spread that over 2500+ stores. It's such an absolute waste. Hasbro Pulse can easily eat that cost because they're not paying themselves to obtain it, they just have it ship from the factory and let it sit.

    This. It's just a bunch of too expensive, too complex toys that only adults are really interested in. No kid can afford the $100+ price tag, and parents certainly aren't chomping at the bit to open their wallets for 'em either. Let's say you give one to a kid, give 'em 20 minutes and they'll come to all depressed and sad because it's absolutely a nightmare to transform most of them.

    My rant is that Masterpieces can look good without being ridiculously complex.

    You're preachin', it's not reachin'.

    Gosh, I remember that mess. We knew he was coming, we just didn't know when, and then he showed up on a pallet with the shipper box face cut off so you could reach in and buy him. They didn't even try and put him on the shelves. On top of that, he was like...$50ish out of the gate (Starscream was more money when he debuted.) and dropped to clearance everywhere in a flash. The only other times I've seen new figures hit clearance is when a new wave hits and they haven't updated the system to have them in the computer so they assume they're old stock and clear 'em out. This one, however, they just dropped the ball with him completely. I'm still in awe, all these years later, at how they botched that.

    Target sucks. Both at the store and .com level. They never have anything in stock, you always have to resort to Popfindr and Brickseek to find their exclusives (only DPCIs that do work on there), and even if they do have them... It's a gamble whether or not someone will actually go and grab you the item you're trying to purchase. It was getting there before the pandemic, but the current events absolutely pushed it into overdrive and we now live in a world where retailers want your money but don't. They have the product, they're sellable items, but no one will actually stock the shelf or go in the back and get it for you. I went into Target the day after Christmas and asked a guy to scan the UPC on my phone and he flat out refused. He wasn't rude, but he was short and to the point and wouldn't budge. Went to customer service, she threw a hellacious fit and demanded I tell her who it was and why he wasn't doing his job, etc. I did end up having to tell her who it was, it sucked because I didn't want him to get in trouble, but it was making a scene. I found out it makes her job harder and she has to do his work when he won't.

    This is what I put up with at all Walmarts and Targets, now. In fact, my closest Walmart (there are 4 in the Metro)... they took the hand scanners away from the employees. Especially in Electronics. I couldn't believe it, but they did.

    WTF?!

    I'm so sorry. Here we are b!tching about our "problems" and you're stuck in the situation you're in. :(  I hope it gets better for you guys and gals. I'm so sorry.

    It's a mix of both. Skywarp wasn't exactly a hotly demanded item, Starscream was still on shelves in some places, and the prices were never great. Add in the management being idiotic and you have instaclearance.

    This is true. The .com is basically an interface with a small workforce connecting the end-user to the stores without having to leave their home. Instead of having actual shipping centers and warehouses specifically for the .com, they share the retail warehouses and stores as shipping centers. My closest store (2 in the metro), I know one of the workers there and he told me a lot of the reason they don't have stock on anything, a lot of the time, is that the stuff is snapped up by the .com and it's packed and shipped by a store associate of their choosing and then FedEx or UPS come and pick it up and it's on its way to you. If the store can't do it, then the shared warehouse will. They tend to go for the warehouse stuff, first, then the store as a last-ditch effort.

    That's why something coming from Target will have a different origin location most times. One package will come from Arizona (big complex there), another will come from Florida (you can Google and see it's an actual shopping location), etc. I guess it works, but then they don't know if they have an item in stock half the time.

    Skullface is just as bent the other way, so don't bank on him being "legit". He's a shill for Fans Toys, will trash any other toy (even if it's arguably good) because it doesn't meet his specific insane criteria. (Good example? Open & Play Big Spring/Springer. Plenty of people have lauded it for its quality vs price. It's not perfect, but it's a solid figure. He hated how the plastic felt (grainy on the surface) and that was a big part of why he panned it. Are you kidding me? Such a dumb thing to whine about.)

    EmGo's too positive (I think because he's justifying the high price to himself), I admit, but he's pleasant and not breaking things on the regular. Skullface figures "if I can break it, it's junk!" and that's simply not true. Plenty of things require a delicate hand here and there, not all over. He thinks if one thing is "wrong" the whole thing is. Such a stupid mentality to have when hamfisted by nature. That's silly and entitled on his part.

    That's not necessary at all.

    Chefatron. His attitude of late has been awful. The sarcasm is dripping so bad it's causing humidity in the room. As you said, he nearly broke a figure, and I think that's ridiculous. He used to be cool and rolled with the punches, but now he's got an attitude and when called out, he gets vicious.

    Are you kidding me?! That quick? I'm sorry, that sucks.

    We're not. Menasor in Legacy isn't Scramble City compatible. CW Menasor was compromised to make that ability happen, the Legacy one is animation accurate (as much as possible given the budget), and isn't compromised. Defensor was mentioned as a future possibility, all depending on the sales of Menasor. And even if he sells well, it's not a guarantee we'll get more combiners in the new aesthetic. You may be up in arms over nothing. Takara-Tomy clearly still has a lot of faith in the CW molds as they reissue them here and there. Even Hasbro reissued Devastator just a few months back. Not to mention Piranicon...

    I don't think you need to rush out and replace all of your CW/UW stuff right now. There's nothing set in stone in the pipeline beyond Menasor. If anything, Menasor's due a do-over because he was so botched the first time 'round, whereas the rest of them are pretty much imperfect but solid releases.

    I wouldn't bank on that. They may redo combiners way down the line, but they have so many figures that do need to be made/remade before they can go and do that all over again, plus they have to have Takara-Tomy's approval on this and I'm not 100% they have it. Gears and Polar Claw are still wanted, for example. They'll make the missing Headmasters, such as Minerva. They have a lot to get through before they redo all of the combiners, again. If anything, it's Menasor for a good long while. I certainly wouldn't get my hopes up or panic.

    Skids was overdue for a do-over. Crankcase and Pointblank have no current updates, they're LONG overdue for one.
     
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    I know, and don't care. I want it to show up at my door on release day.
     
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    That seems less due to competition and more due to a shifting market. A lot of collectors shifted to collecting masterpiece primarily, and most 3P companies followed suit. Sink or swim. Those who didn't, most notably Fansproject, certainly sank.
     
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    I was gonna say, I didn't think the new one was supposed to be Scramble City.
     
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    PloverNutter TFW2005: We're buying them but we don't like them.

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    They meant doing a combiner from Scramble City, not a combiner in Scramble City style. I do think that Menasor definitely needed a redo but I would also like to see combiners from other continuities get done. Hasbro needs to hurry up and make leader class RiD train bros so we can get a big Railracer!
     
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    Ahhhhh, my mistake.
     
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    Although given what passes for Leader Class these days, a Leader class Team Bullet Train may well end up smaller than the original team.
     
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    PloverNutter TFW2005: We're buying them but we don't like them.

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    Since they are trains they could have simple transformations and be SS86 Grimlock size so Railracer ends up being decently sized. The RiD cartoon weirdly have Railracer not wildly out of scale
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    Lower profile arm canons wouldn't be a bad thing on megatrons homaging the G1 bot mode. Easier on the non-ratcheted elbow and shoulder joints in the long run, ya know? For something of an example (admittedly it didn't homage as much as others, but still) Last Knight megatron did a good arm canon, I just personally didn't find the slobbery, toothy face all that endearing. But yeah, getting kinda tired of the few interesting G1 styled megatrons I have suffering in their shoulders. End rant.
     
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    I disagree. I think we are definitely reaching the end of the "remake G1" project that began in 2014 or so, but we're going to see the few figures that slipped through the cracks thus far get figures (like in Legacy) and prior misfires get redos (a Commander class Powermaster Optimus Prime is inevitable). I think the introduction of Prime and Unicron Trilogy characters shows they are looking at all their characters now, now just G1. I also think we'll start getting new forms of classic characters kind of like we did with Siege. The next Starscream will be the F-22 seeker we've always deserved, for example.

    But in terms of a full faithful redo of G1, we're in the closing years of that project. Why? Who does it appeal to most. G1 fans. And the youngest "I grew up with G1" fan is about 37. Hasbro was very wise in starting their project when most of us hit our early 30s and had disposable income for the first time ever. But now we're starting to think about our kids and our retirements. To put it another way, after 7 years of spending $2.5k on Transformers a year or so, the older fans are starting to dial it down. Legacy is looking like a <$1k line for me, which will be my lightest spending since 2012.

    It makes no sense for Hasbro to keep targeting those consumers. It makes more sense for them to target people entering their late 20s and 30s now. Hence that's why we got Studio Series a few years ago. And now we're getting Unicron Trilogy and Prime characters. That will be just the start of it I reckon.

    Yeah I expect Hasbro to make a "Bruticus" combiner about twice a decade forever, because it's a dirt simple military vehicle combiner, and they can easily update the military vehicles for the time and place. But authenticy Sunbow G1 like Menasor? Maybe we'll get one more after him. But I doubt it goes much beyond the Combiner Wars core 4 retail combiners of Bruticus, Menasor, Superion and Defensor. The big question mark though is if Hasbro ever decides to do a smaller-scale Devastator.
     
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    Purchased Transformers Generations WFC-K42 (Battle Across Time) Sideswipe & Skywarp on Amazon today with same day delivery, just got home and opened the package to find the Earthrise Sideswipe replaced with a Netflix Sideswipe. Thank you to whatever mouth breather did that switcheroo, you're a credit to the fandom and the human race. (I know that it's probably not someone on here but I needed to vent a bit.)