Transformers Legacy Arcee

Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by Rakzo, Jan 12, 2022.

  1. Shadow25

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    That's honestly my fear with all this - if this is really just meant to be a premold for a (relatively obscure all things considered) G1 character, then that is disappointing in and of itself - but on another level, if TFP Arcee, one of the lead characters of one of the more prominent TF series over the last decade, has to resort to less than fitting mold sharing with an obscure G1 character to get a new toy at all, what does that say about other characters from non-g1 continuities scratching for updates? Well, we already know that fan favorite Knock Out is going to be a Jazz retool, so this isn't inspiring confidence.
     
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    Something about the Legacy line feels like Hasbro is squeezing some more cost cutting measures out. Arcee here could have used some more engineering to hide some of that kibble on her legs and/or back.
     
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  3. Rodimus 75

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    Just watched the video. Really not liking what I see. When I first saw the pictures of her I wasn’t really impressed. The head sculpt is ok enough. She just isn’t as shapely and feminine as her TFP self. I get that this new version is supposed to have the “G1 aesthetic”, but she’s just too blocky. Something about it screams budget toy too. This one is a hardcore pass.
     
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  4. f-primusunicron

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    she does have ankle tilts but lets check the articulation offered by the other prime arcees, first edition has double elbow bent and in an out at the wrist, sadly no rotation, and the prime rid has a balljoint that allows in movement and rotation, has more than 90° as well but not double jointed, and both have WAY more than 90° of bend at the knees, moving the wheels away a bit allows the feet to move down, the shoulders are a bit limited and require the use of the transformation joint, prime rid kinda has an ab crunch because of transformation and frist edition waist rotation even if it looks weird, so the only missing articulation here is...ankle tilts, and that's it how is this more articulated "than any other prime arcee or fembot released before"

    @Novaburnhilde
    well, not exactly that this figure is an statement, but the last couple of years of hasbro IS, masterpiece, wfc trilogy, selects, cyberverse, bumblebee movie, studio series 86, except for the bayformers which have been decreasing the production in spite of us missing half the designs, and the beasts from kingdom, everything else has been so focused on the "g1" style, and now legacy, yes i think is the "geewun superior, everything else inferior" mentality at play


    long text incoming, if you don't want to hear/read my opinion or don't care at all, skip this part
    my problem with the figure itself is not the style, or even that she isn't a super slender body(which g1 does have with the original arcee, but whatever), its the following, there are many design choices that make no sense, and while the figure isn't the worst i have ever seen, there are too many that make it a figure that i cant simply like, easiest example, as many have said including primevsprime on his review, the wheels on the sides of the legs, which by the way doesn't have anything to do with being accurate to road rocket, these could have split like the original prime arcee wheels and folded on the back, maybe a balljoint or something where they connect to the leg or whatever anyone thinks would have allowed them to work,, second, the back kibble, i wont be talking about the amount of it, but the SHAPE, wings could have sit higher, and the front of the back cover more of her back since it looks quite hollow from many angles,, if it moved at a certain angle, that after rewatching the video several times im quit sure isnt possible without some mods, or at least cutting some plastic to allow the piece to angle properly, then there is the wheel thing, i get it, it maybe probably looks like a drone of some sort, but, other than that, one could disconnect any piece from any transformer and say is another thing, the point being the piece doesnt look like anything,, something that more distinct details could have helped, instead is just a piece that disconnects easily and splits and you can pretend is a drone, now, lets talk about the chest molding, the problem is not how bread and square it is, although, it doesn't help either, looks out of place, trimming some of the borders, about half a centimeter on each side, would have benefited her silhouette a lot, but now, this is not something that can be easily modded as it in the front and there are details, so it would look bad unless one has certain amount of skills that many of us doesn't, then lets talk about transformation and alt mode, transformation looks FUN as hell, but then again, what does she accomplish with it? the mottorcycle mode from most sides, and except for the different bike "model", look about the same shape as most motorcycle arcees, but wait, then there is the supremely chunky back of the motorcycle because there is where the arms are, and they still dont hide them that well, so, why was that complex transformation needed when so many parts would have worked just fine if they just recycled the tf prime design but with the g1 aesthetics? because of the huge chest that as we have stablished didnt need to be, , and lets remember, road rocket was alto quite stylish on its day, so it wouldn't be needed either for him, so we have a more complex transformation that doesn't end up in a more compact motorcycle, and yet they skipped several possible things that would have made the robot mode look more cohesive, as i already said, is not the amount of the backpack but the way it sits on her back, the wheels on her legs, and the chest, so

    IN CONCLUSION, i will say my "controversial" statement
    a figure that sacrifices too much to be more "geewun" and yet doesn't do enough to be better in both modes, didn't need to be that complex to begin with given hpw much some parts end up in the same places or similar places to the original arcee's, in fact the arms remind me of the way the legion class transforms, it would have been awesome if the end result of such a complex conversion was more polished, we can have g1 reinterpretations, we can have blocky designs, but as i see it, this wasn't the best way of doing it

    also as i said before, this could have been our chance to get better figures of the characters, knockout, and wheeljack, have some proportion issues, bulkhead, they could have meed a good compromise using the engineering of both the first edition and rid, slightly simpler , but more accurate than the rid, and less impossible to find than the first edition, which is almost perfect but some small changes could have benefited him a lot, core class arcee, this one wouldnt have been so difficult to make to be honest, and small deluxe airachnid, specially this one needed a better figure, still does, what do we get instead? an inferno wannabe with a military truck(hound aoe) alt mode and a bulkhead head and paintjob, ss86 jazz painted red and with a new head

    so, but yeah, go on about how this or that g1 character is off because the alt mode isn't a licensed something, or because its legs are too short, or because whatever random thing changed, that is alright, hasbro will make another one in a couple of years, they always do, kup and blurr's heads in ss86, you know how many people have whined about them not being the exact faces they think they should be? but yeah lets completely remove the aesthetics from tfprime characters and make them the same bland style hasbro and the so called "fans" are AGAIN obsessed with, and whomever dares to criticize them, its because is a HATER
     
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  5. DrTraveler

    DrTraveler Wheeljack, Wheeljack, Wheeljack

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    Got back out the Prime RID Arcee figure. She’s on display with my daughter’s other fembots from the other classics line.

    Yes, she lacks ankle rockers and a waist swivel. But your post did prompt me to get back out some of the other Prime RID toys and ddaaammmmnnnnn most of these toys hold up. For a collector like me that has a lot of the prime line sitting around, the incentive to buy her or bulkhead just isn’t there.

    And for the record, PRID Arcee has ball joints in nearly all the spots you’d want. She’s pretty darn articulated. What Legacy is improving doesn’t seem worth the $23 to me considering all that the old toy does right.

    But again, not all collectors will have these old Arcee toys, so if you don’t this is a really good chance to get her.
     
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    What I see the legacy redesigning of characters is, what if they were in the 80\'s. 
     
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  7. Novaburnhilde

    Novaburnhilde Destron Enforcer

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    It's not a statement, they're making what they think will sell. There is no mentality, you're simply projecting what you feel onto others.

    Bayformers is lucky that it got 10 years of merchandise to begin with, most shitty movie adaptions come out and get a single wave (or so) of merchandise, then promptly become just another oddity in that franchises history.

    Also:
    This really seems to be a case of you holding resentment towards other fans for imagined slights.

    "So called "fans"."

    Hmm.
     
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  8. f-primusunicron

    f-primusunicron i just wanna be loved

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    well, not gonna lie, i DO
     
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    I won't watch the video "for reasons" but I like the pics. Not a Prime fan (not that I dislike it but I have no particular attachment to it one way or another) so the deviation from the design doesn't bother me one whit (though I totally get the irritation of Prime fans), and the design looks good as its own thing.
     
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  10. Rakzo

    Rakzo Peruvian Transformers Fan

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    Because it has actually useful articulation? In and out wrist is basically worthless since there is barely anything to do with it (especially for FE Arcee since she wasn't even able to hold any weapons) and double-jointed elbows are nice but not enterily useful aside from a few particular poses. Over 90 degree knees are admitedly more useful but that's basically the only thing they have over Legacy Arcee (also, FE Arcee's waist and PRID Arcee's "ab crunch" always looked weird).

    Yes, Legacy Arcee has more articulation than any other Fembot released before.

    Darn, you made me remember one of weakest aspects of PRID Arcee: The balljoints which got loose very easily, especially for further reuses of that mould (and this is a shame because I have both Flamewar and Flareup and they're gorgeous but Jesus, are they loose).
     
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  11. Timothy.R

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    It’s jarring seeing a prime arcee next this one. And then consider how much a prime deluxe cost back the compared to what they are now.
     
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  12. RodimusZero

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    Man... just, I don't know...

    It's hard to figure out what's going on at HasTak with this Legacy line. Coming off WFC, it's definitely a major letdown in quality, sculpt, engineering, gimmick... just everything went from "WOW!" to "uhh... I guess this is ok...". I know as far as what's public knowledge, we know that Warden got moved to the Power Rangers/Ghostbusters lines on the Hasbro side (so that sucks), and then on the Takara side, Yuya Onishi (who I really don't care for) is apparently the main design lead for Transformers now... we all know that Hasui was the main lead on a lot of the WFC stuff, so is he out of the picture now? A lot of the TT side staff breakdown is kind of unclear. I will say though, that these Legacy figures do give off an Onishi vibe in a bad way--for example, if you want a real "Onishi style" example--Titans Return Galvatron: kind of ugly, odd placement of details, works... but weapon's too big/only pegs on one way, lot of disappointments like the neck articulation... on the flipside, he apparently designed Studio Series Hot Rod, which, yes, was pretty great... I think that glaringly ugly yellow hinge on the back was a result of poor planning and could have been avoided if he foresaw the parts count better earlier on, though. He also apparently worked on the Masterpiece Hot Rod, which is pretty meh... so one failure and one success? averages out to kind of meh in my opinion...

    Anyway. Maybe from wave 2 onward this line will suddenly jolt back to a WFC style and we'll all breath a sigh of relief, but from what I'm seeing now, I'm definitely left wanting and kind of trying to convince myself to keep my preorders.
     
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    They finally made a TFP Arcee I'd own. Much better aesthetically than the original.
     
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    I really don't want to like this. The aesthetic just isn't working for me. At all. Particularly when put next to FE Prime Arcee.

    But there are also some clever ideas in the tranformation that I do like.

    Hopefully they do a recolor/retool into some other character, because I think I'd like to own this mold, just not as Prime Arcee.
     
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    I have no doubt that Arcee was planned as a character in the lineup before Road Rocket was. However, HasTak almost never make a mold without setting it up to be used multiple times. The details for a potential Road Rocket are there. Her torso area has been redesigned to be a cross between Prime Arcee and Road Rocket's so the toy can work for both. You can even see that the tire on her back is designed to split and splay apart to mimic the two wheels on Road Rocket's shoulders. All of these details were tooled into the mold pre-emptively for the eventually re-use as Road Rocket. So, yes. Arcee is a pretool of Road Rocket in very much the same way that TR Megatron is a pretool of Blitzwing. It doesn't matter which character was selected for the lineup first.
     
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    Was about to say think the dude forgot about the line we just had.
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    Yes! A little, tiny, ity bit of stylisation is fine, but its so annoying that after not getting that many good TFP figures in the first place, then getting almost dead on updates of G1 and BW, this is the update for Prime, a Sunbow af Bulkhead that looks like Inferno and Grapple's fat sweaty cousin, a chonky, kibbly, Arcee that was definitely designed with a retool or two in mind, and a Knockout retooled from 86 Jazz of all things. I'm really curious to see how Armada Starscream looks, and if he carries on the same aesthetic, or if he's done right without any of this newfound stylisation.
    I mean, LG Bulkhead basically looks like a really fat Inferno with Prime Bulkhead's chin:D 
     
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    5 cents tells me this will be a TT mall exclusive release in Japan, absolutely shocked that the guys in Takara even agreed to make new TFP toys in the first place
     
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    Airazor had a lot of good articulation.
     
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