Most fascist Transformers?

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  1. QLRformer

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    Who would you call the most fascist Transformers? (This can apply to Autobots as well as Decepticons)

    I'd say the following stand out:

    BM Megatron had placed Cybertron under his full total control, was launching a purge of any dissenters, and was employing mind-control/brainwashing techniques on his own troops. That's definitely fascist behaviour.

    TFA Sentinel Prime put Cybertron under martial law lockdown, and tried to use his influence on the High Council to open fire on an Autobot starship. If fascism is anything, it's employing control and fear to excuse harming your own people.
     
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    Well i guess Zeta Prime from IDW Autocracy gives me shivers.

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    With all due respect to OP I don't see this thread lasting long given how poorly understood fascism is as a political philosophy these days, far more often than not I see the label used incorrectly in discussion. That's definitely not meant to be a put-down or anything either, as someone who's spent a lot of time studying and reading about these types of things, shit's complicated. :lol 

    Plus it's hard to even get into it in any meaningful way without going against the rules.

    But I'm just some doofus and it's obviously up to the staff whether or not these topics are okay or not.
     
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    Sentinel Prime from TFA, when he took over from Ultra Magnus seemed to act like a facist.

    However, isn’t this thread kinda political? I think it breaks the sites rules.
     
  5. Heavy Unit

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    The term has indeed lost so much of its meaning from overuse in [current year] (like other terms abused on all sides of the political spectrum), I can easily see the thread going South too.
     
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    I should have said from a narrative point of view. No harm was intended, I was only curious.
     
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    It's all right. To answer your question, even in the context where Decepticons are a revolutionary movement aiming to end an oppressive regime, they automatically deserve to be called the f word when they use violence and fear to gain and maintain power and they won't accept anyone who doesn't fully follow their ideals.
     
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    Sentinel Prime in TFA is probably one but I'm not sure if he even realized that.
     
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    Fascism means a specific set of ideas about the role of the "nation" and its "inevitable" return to glory after being subverted by an otherized enemy. Nova Prime was fascist. BM Megatron was just an end-state authoritarian ala Sauron or Darkseid (IS). No varnish, just hierarchy for the sake of it.

    BM Megatron was beyond such ideas as nationalism or racism. He simply wanted to bend all life to one will - his.
     
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    IDW sentinal prime makes me sick as a person, especially after his return
     
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    Power for the sake of power isn't alien to fascism, though. It's a somewhat amorphous label because the behaviour it describes is amorphous due to the sheer self-serving nature of it. There are no principles, only conveniences.
     
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    The alternate reality the lost light crew jumps into where the functionist council is in full power is probably the most fascist group. They fully controlled life indoctrinating the young into their beliefs of function of form. Outside of this, I'd say Shockwave post empurata but only at certain points in his ideology before fully bending to Unicrons will.

    Also whatever Senate was in power when empurata was still a legal thing within the comics was defy problematic on some level.
     
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    I believe the IDW 2.0's 'Ascenticons ' are the most clearly modeled after historical fascist movements - taking advantage of post war resentment, preaching about how their race is special, and the following coup on the senate.
     
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    IDW2 Decepticons are definitely meant to parallel the Nazis to a degree. A disgruntled group of nobles and veterans believe that their country has been corrupted by another, and are working to reestablish a militaristic one-party state. Megatron more specifically acts like the so-called father of fascism, Mussolini, especially in the way he gains power. Mussolini marched into Rome with a personal army and demanded to be instituted as the new President of Italy. Megatron marched into the Senate and took power from Sentinal Prime. Mussolini's brown shirts were very different from the Nazi Germans, however, and fascism takes on many different forms, but it is always a right-wing ideology. Megatron in IDW1 would be more akin to Stalinist Communism type totalitarianism, which would put him on the left. What makes IDW2 Megatron lean to the right is that his ideology revolves around becoming a colonial and military power again, akin to the Nazis and Brown Shirts. We have yet to see if Megatron adopts a genocidal policy akin to the holocaust, which affected political prisoners (Communists, Anarchists, Liberals, Dissenters) as much as it did ethnic prisoners (Slavs, Roma, Jews, LGBT), but given the way he has been written, he could easily adopt them. Another way he is a fascist and not just an authoritarian is the way promotes military dominance and control, with members of the military getting special privileges. He also believes in a greater Cybertron overall, wishing to wash away what he deems as filth. A left-wing totalitarian won't be nationalistic to that degree, as left-wing authoritarian politicians tend to eschew nationalism in favor of solidarity among peoples.
    Thank you for coming to my political analysis of a boring comic character.
     
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