Fans Toys FT-25 Outrider (Masterpiece Trailbreaker)

Discussion in 'Transformers 3rd Party Discussion' started by 0ursisthefury, Aug 29, 2016.

  1. Hoffman

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    Yeah, there's no contract until money changes hands. Until then it's more like a 'statement of intent'.
     
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    Toy Dojo
     
  3. deathsheadII

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    still such a shame how the car bonnet sits in robot mode :(  the rest looks great and would have jumped on this but just know it would bug me
     
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  4. TigerBlade

    TigerBlade Prepare for extermination

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    So is there an updated eta at all? I know that's a joke at this point, especially with this figure but a rough idea of when it probably won't be ready would be nice.
     
  5. TransformerFanatic

    TransformerFanatic When a spark goes online, there is great joy...

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    Q3/September 2022. It'll probably get delayed more (based on the current delays in schedule) but that's the date for now.

    Personally I'm very excited for this guy. The other available versions don't aesthetically appeal to me nearly as much.
     
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    3Q 2022 is what listings say for now.
     
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    I believe that TFSource has honored some increased PO prices before. That's the only reason that I asked. But I agree, there's obviously very little incentive to not increase the price.
     
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    No I'm not. I never said TCP is breaking the law. I said it's against the law to agree to buy something and then change the price. In your example, if the wood company had signed a contract and then their prices increased afterward, they would not be able to just raise the prices unless there was explicit language to that effect in the contract. TCP isn't breaking the law, but the behavior of putting up a price and then changing it years later is scummy and they shouldn't be doing it. They should wait and take pre orders when FT actually starts taking orders or do what ShowZ and other companies do, take deposits and be clear that they don't know what the final price would be.

    But I definitely could have fleshed my point out better with my words (which I did (or at least attempted to do) in subsequent posts) So perfectly understandable that people misinterpreted what I said.
     
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  9. Chrisola

    Chrisola Solid crotch ratchet

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    "corporations" like these 3rd party sellers are Microsoft or something lol. No one is defending anything, they're trying to explain the reality. You know, because it's what is happening.

    Your Amazon example is way off.

    What has happened with this FT release is:

    1. FT solicited a new figure at a certain $, a long time ago. Either telling sellers it was coming and a final price, or the sellers chose to slap a final price on it. Sellers put pre-orders up.
    2. It got postoned and re-designed.
    3. A 2 year+ global pandemic caused massive worldwide issues on an unprecedented scale in our lifetimes, causing material, labour, production and shipping costs, supplies and demand to be impacted.
    4. FT set a new price. I personally think it's a bit of #3 and a bit of "we know we can get away with it, we're premium brand!!!" combining to reach these new prices.
    5. Retailers adjusted.

    Now, you can be upset. But it's not "ilegal", it's lterally just annoying.

    I guarantee you the pre-order policies of EVERY seller make it known that in rare cases pre-orders may increase, and that may mean they have to adjust the price. If your seller's T & C don't, then stand your ground on it.

    We're in a weird situation where these older figures are now so far delayed and so much has happened that there is little chance of a cheap pre-order being honoured, not now these same sellers have had it happen a few times on them. I ate the increase on FT Chomp (so to speak).

    Never, ever pay in full for a 3P figure unless it's in stock or due in. It didn't used to matter as stuff was slow but there were very very few redisgns and definitely no pandemic messing with industry or 2 - 4 year delays on stuff. Put a deposit if you have to, but that's it.
     
  10. Sentinel

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    Technically that’s incorrect as there was an offer (pre-order price), acceptance (you agree to pay it) and consideration (you pay the price). Whether it’s enforceable is another matter.
    [yes, I am a lawyer]

    They also have terms of service to which you agree when you place the order and that changes/refines the terms of the contract as well.

    Also… practically speaking, saying there is a binding contract won’t hold up and it’s not feasible to challenge them on it. It just makes a vendor look bad when they don’t honor their pricing and conversely makes a vendor look amazing when they do. Just look at the comments in this thread to see how that works.

    As much as I absolutely love Fans Toys and am an unabashed fan boy, they really need to do better with preorders. It’s hurting their reputation, even if it isn’t actually hurting their bottom line.
     
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  11. Effigy

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    See my post immediately above yours.
     
  12. edgecrusher

    edgecrusher "She wanted nothin', and I delivered." TFW2005 Supporter

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    Oh man, someone should whine about it incessantly and slander them in their signature so it is visible with every post. :wink: 
     
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    Hmmm...how to join their group? I don't use Whatsapp at all but if there's discounts to be had, I might just do it.
     
  14. Hoffman

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    Heh, fair enough.

    But what if no money is exchanged? Wouldn't that mean that point 3 is not fulfilled?
     
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    franpincho NOT a FT Only collector

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    It does make me wonder though, maybe I'm right and people are canceling these things left and right come release date (it is tough out there). but are retailers really having a problem selling those unaccounted-for units? It is FT, they sell out anyway and it's not like they take YUGE space inside a warehouse as compared to say, a P1/Sideshow statue or they happen to be overly saturated (HT items).

    I mean, what do I know.
     
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    You could argue that foregoing placing the order elsewhere is consideration. You just have to show that something of value is exchanged and potentially missing out could be argued to be of value. It’s a loser argument, but I’m just law school hypothetical-ing with this for fun.
     
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    So, if the resellers sell a sought after figure later for a higher price (ones that other customers cancel), it wouldn't affect people, right?
     
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    Joined, but now when I add him to cart on the website, price shows $999...what am I missing?