Daaaamn, first Panthor, and now

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Teekl too. This is not a good year for (fictional) cat lovers.  
Also, I just realized, given WHEN Klarion first manifested on Earth, Teekl's sabertooth form was probably her real form!

Loved the tests. We got some much needed backstories on Traci, Khalid and Mary. And I liked that we got to see how much their faiths, both muslim and catholic, mean to certain characters. That I always find interesting in a comic book universe where literal ancient gods and superbeings exist and can perform miracles. Makes me wish that Greg Weisman would introduce Zauriel to this show. An actual bona fide angel joining the Justice League always felt weird, but he could make it work.

Also, we learn the full story on Fate. So he is a Lord of Order, but an unique one who had a human origin. I do wonder how much influence Savage has on him, as he clearly does not like him. Also, more Starro! I think he will become a more serious threat later.
Hope Beast Boy snaps out of this phase soon, he is becoming a washed-up junkie.

Ah OK, I confused the two. Never heard about Child from the comics. As I understand, Klarion in the comics is from some weird witch-men community who dress like pilgrims, and he is not a Chaos Lord, that was a creation for this show.

I think it was more like that he thought humanity needs to thrive and use the resources under the sea, too, and maybe he was afraid of possible other species living there. Which we know is true, given how many races we have seen in Atlantis - unless all of those are mutated humans.

 

Huh, I thought the bus traveling through time and space was just some unintended magical accident during the Klarion battle 2 episodes ago, but turns out

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it is Klarion's new anchor. Also, it seems this ONE schoolbus was in all those catastrophies over the years, being saved by different heroes.  

I liked that the director was understanding of Gar's plight. Also, hilarious that his Star Trek-like show is still going. And one of the clam-guys is now a member of the crew!
Good flashbacks at Zatara's past, so it seems in this universe, he was not in the Justice Society but started to be a superhero aside from his magician job after seeing his daughter's reaction to Superman.
The Child is ridiculously powerful. Doesn't Fate's tower have like a gazillion magical wards? Klarion could not get in several times in the past...
Btw, never expected that this character is so old... and is from Amethyst and the Gemworld series. Never knew Amethyst herself was a Lord of Order!
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The scene with Icon and Rocket, 10 years in the past... does this mean their Earth was another dimension? As the same scene happened like with Superman and Superboy, just in Dakota, not Metropolis.

 

That is actually the highlight of this arc for me so far, seeing those moments but in tying them into now.

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So if Fate's helmet breaks, he can't fix it himself? Would Nabu be freed from his anchor or destroyed?

Does anyone know what spell Zatarra said to Nabu to make him tell Zatanna his, in essence last will & testament?

Don't really care for any of this arc aside from some of the Savage worldbuilding. The 3 apprentices are kind of boring, Mary isn't bad. I just don't see how they'll best Child.

Following Gar this long is a lot of setup for what I anticipate will not get a satisfying emotional payoff unless it involves bringing in Raven or some other interpersonal shift.

 

Those were from when Klarion split the Earth into one for children and one for adults.It just so happens the bus fell off another bridge.

Next episode is a big world ender. I didn't comment last episode but I like the theme of Faith tying Zatara and Khalid as well as Zatara's backstory this episode.

I agree with @BB Shockwave that the Child is overpowered. Sure she has the powers of all the Lords of Chaos, but they could have done this to Klarion at any time and didn't?

Anyone else think

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Mary temporarily stealing her teammates magic might foreshadow Black Mary?

Continued showing of Beast Boy's depression every episode makes me think something big is building up there beyond his lingering mental issues.

Invitation to ... next episode starts with a K. Any ideas?

 

The Child actually is OP here on purpose. During her first confrontation with Klarion, he calls her out for being more powerful than him and she responds that she has the powers of the other Lords of Chaos as well because they're all disappointed in him.

I'm really curious what kind of build-up we're going to see with Gar since they're definitely making it a point to showcase his downward spiral. Maybe they bring in Raven? I would kill for Raven and Starfire to be introduced to this series. Though it'll most likely be tied to Superboy's return somehow.

 

Well the post credit stinger at the end of this mid-season finale apparently suggests that

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Mary is going to get corrupted by Darkseid like in Final Crisis.

 

Well, Mary sure is going down a dark route now. I think Black Adam exists in this universe, he was in the Injustice League, no? So... I expect we will see him soon.
I did not see this ending coming. I expected Zatarra to get killed by Child and Khalid to take over. Zatanna sure manipulated a lot of people here, but she did it out of love. I am happy for her, even if I question her motives. Fate was quite impressed with the pupils to have agreed to this solution.
And I liked the play Savage played. Indeed, we have seen last season he has no intention of helping Darkseid find the Anti-Life Equation. Glad the Lords of Order and Chaos agreed upon realizing this.

"Oh, I feel all warm and fuzzy inside!" Teekl II is adorable.  
I am curious what they will do with the helmet. It can probably be repaired, but maybe it needs some special metals? Nth Metal maybe?

Surprised about what Zatanna saw when touching the bus.

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Why did Conner's ghost have claw marks on his chest? He "died" in lava, no? Maybe he is trapped due to Phantom Girl's powers somehow?

Ah thanks, I forgot that happened! That sure was some silly plan from Klarion way back then.

 

This season of Young Justice has been excellent so far, much better than the last one. I wonder if we saw the Phantom Zone at the end of last ep. Also makes me wonder if we’ll see a similar resurrection for Connor from Legion of 3 Worlds.

 

Speculation time!

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We're obviously going to see a version of Black Mary as the unwitting pawn of Granny Goodness and Darkseid - I wonder if she's going to steal Black Adam's powers as apart of this arc? Also, where is Billy and the rest of the Marvel family (or Shazam family now, I guess)? I would assume he's still an active hero as Shazam, and that we'll probably see him again when it comes to dealing with Mary, but still, he hasn't had much focus since his involvement back in season 1.

Calling it now, Conner is in the Phantom Zone, which is the bizarre location Klarion passed through when he was bouncing around time and space. That place was suspiciously labeled as "location unknown," and it's where Zatanna sees Conner's "ghost." It would also make sense, given what Phantom Girl's powers actually are. Besides her intangibility, her powers are sometimes connected to the Phantom Zone, either because her home world is located there or because it's connected to it. If this is the case for the Young Justice version of Phantom Girl, she may have used her powers to save Conner by pulling him into the Phantom Zone. Because he's in the Phantom Zone, his injuries won't kill him, but they're so severe that they can't bring him out until it's possible to heal him - and until they've dealt with his would-be assassin.

Gar's heading for a crash. A bad crash. He's shutting everyone out and refusing to accept help from others, refusing to accept the idea that he even needs help. Character wise, it makes sense, he's experienced a lot of loss throughout his life so far - his mom, the Doom Patrol, several close friends from the team, Wally, and now Conner (as far as he knows). It's all coming down and he can't handle it, but he's pushing people away when they try to reach out. Given the suggestion that he's gotten himself addicted in an attempt to make the pain go away, I wonder if we're gonna see Will step in. In the comics, Roy had an arc where he struggled with drug addiction, and in the New 52, he was an alcoholic. When we first saw Red Arrow again back in Invasion, he was clearly losing it in a similar depressive state, and I think if the show hadn't been so limited back then we might have found out he was struggling with the same problems as Roy did in the comics. Point is, Will, having gone through this sort of thing himself, has every reason to reach out to Gar and help him.

 

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I wasn't a big fan of the Dark Mary storyline back in the New 52, but at least YJ is doing a better job setting things up. That said, would've been nice if we couldve seen Mary during her time as Sergeant Marvel during the previous seasons.

Now that you mention it, it may be possible that Superboy insteads get the Mon-El treatment, cured/saved in the future after unspecified amount of time in the Phantom Zone. I wonder if they'll use this as a way to move him out to clear the way for Jonathan Kent/Superboy eventually. DC did toy with it a bit years earlier during the DnA era of the Legion. That was another storyline I felt that wasn't given enough space by DC to explore.

I agree that we'll see Gar being used in Speedy's place in that landmark drug storyline. I do feel this has been dragged out a bit, hopefully it won't be dragged out much longer.

 

Well, given Weisman's track record, I trust him to handle terrible New 52 ideas far better and make them actually good. He already made me care for characters I never liked in the comics.

We have seen Billy, I forget if in this season or the previous one, he is quite a lot older now of course.
I didn't know Phantom Girl's powers are connected

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to the Phantom Zone,

I assumed she just goes intangible like Martians can. Isn't it a power all her people have, though? As it is with many Legion members.

 

Originally, all members of her race could phase because they were in the "4th Dimension". In the 2005 reboot, her planet existed in the space as the earth but somehow out of synch with it in the so called "Buffer Zone". Here she was the only one with the power to shift between the two remaining visible in both causing her intangibility powers.

Either way, I think the dimension responsible for her phasing powers will be combined with the Phantom Zone as a Greg Weizmann original change.

 

And the Lords of Chaos gave Klarion a power boost to sink the continent of Atlantis.

 

Yes. Though I would assume based on the conversation with Child that either Klarion no longer had that boost in power or they gave her a greater one. Or both. Either way she's purposefully made a larger threat and a bit OP.

 

Mixed feelings on a lot of this arc. The antagonists and the setup at the end for a return antagonist felt confused.

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I don't know what to make of this mid-season finale. It feels like they drew out the conflict with Child for too long and had Zatanna's proteges discover the reason she was training them far too late for any significant emotional conflict to exist there and have them present their individual reasons for accepting/rejecting the proposal.

I don't care about Mary, Zatarra's backstory felt like it was unnecessary with him not dying, and I think the way nobody thought to use Traci as a counter to Flaw was frustrating...his name is Flaw!

Hope they do something with Gar, its realistic how he's isolated himself but the Outsiders nor the Team etc. have thought of group intervention like they did with Roy?

This arc and its pacing lacked the character-driven dynamic the last 2 nailed.

 

I think the power boost is a temporary thing, like how the Sentinels of Magic channel their power into Zatanna.

 

Yeah, she mentioned she was being backed by the Lords of Chaos, because they were pissed at Klarion for allying himself with Savage. Someone who's essentially working toward order.

 

Something I enjoy thinking about.

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The mere existence of the Legion of Superheroes essentially means that, if all goes well, what Savage wants is achieved in the end - Earth as one of the greatest galactic powers, and no doubt Apokolips and Darkseid are defeated. Yet it won't be the way Savage wants, because as we saw with the Atlantis backstory and the reasons behind the first Starro invasion, it's not really about just humanity achieving "supremacy" in the universe, it's about control, his control. Savage is a control freak who can't abide not being the supreme ruler of all things. The Legion of Superheroes not only continues the work of the Justice League, but the future they're from is almost certainly not ruled by Vandal Savage. If he knew what the future held, the existence of the Legion, would he be able to accept a future where he isn't in complete control?

 

I was not liking the Martian storyline but the season has definitely improved as it went on. I think I liked the Tigress storyline the most though. Family plus redemption are a great recipe!

I just wish there was a Marvel version of a show like this. The absolute bonkers level of cameos is ridiculous. I literally have to write down character's names and do follow-up wiki searches. Zantana had that brief scene with her "boyfriend" this season-- that guy is an actual Gotham PD character from an old Batman comics!!!!! I feel like I'm watching Game of Thrones sometimes because so much is referenced casually and intentionally.

I love the hefty level of internal continuity being used. There's a clear feeling of time passing, characters growing and new characters showing up. At this point, we have 7-8 Batman Family characters just loitering around. Clearly Batman has been slowly collecting these people in the background while the main characters on the show are doing their thing.

But wait, there's more-- when there's a crisis, you get scenes with tons of other DCU characters just helping out (A-listers to D-listers). And when a main character dies, you get scenes dealing with that loss from non-main characters. I know I'm stating the obvious, I'm just blown away with how immersive this show is with the DCU. At this point, Clark and Lois already have a kid! This show clearly demonstrates how you can produce a series that is not hindered by the lack of Bats, Supes or any other big names as the main stars-- while also fully immersing the show in DCU history.

My only question is-- is there a Red Hood/Jason Todd in this universe? I haven't seen him onscreen or hints of him-- unless I missed it.

EDIT-- Oh and the main theme is back! It's a much shorter version unfortunately, but it's a very nice revision. I would kill for an extended or complete version though. I really disliked it when they stopped using it.

 

You missed him, apparently. He has a memorial in the cave back in Invasion, he physically appears as the Red Hood(ed ninja) hanging out with Ra's in Outsiders and in two episodes of Phantoms so far, and Barbara directly name dropped him during Artemis' arc this season. The ninja isn't outright said to be Jason, but he recognized Dick and he's wearing a red hood.