Nickelodeon Unveils Creative Talent For 2022 Transformers Show

Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by SilverOptimus, May 3, 2021.

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  1. octobotimus

    octobotimus Bad company ruins good morals

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    A thread about BotBots descending in to people gnashing teeth about "wokeness" and Tumblr is about par for the course here.
     
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    Preposterous Noble sage who likes SG, Bayverse, BW, G2 and G1.

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    You mean the same KISS Players revolving around a war on alien terror waged by a country paranoid about being used as a playground for foreign forces?
     
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    According to the TF Wiki, KISS Players was an exercise in creating a piece of art who's only intent is to shock and/or appall. If you can attach a political lean to that, its probably just a desire to see where the line is. In fact I think in an interview, the artist went on record as saying he really just wanted to shock people.
     
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    Which is itself political. You're toeing the line, and in time doing that enough ends up moving the "edge" of what is acceptable.
     
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    I don't disagree, I just think this dude was making a point for point's sake rather than a platform.

    KISS Players was still stupid though, Jesus H. Christ.
     
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    Like I said in a different thread:

    Studio Trigger or we riot.
     
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    Oh yeah for sure.

    I was thinking more like how classic sitcoms would show married couples sleeping in separate beds. Because if they didn't the implications was they "slept together."

    I don't recall which sitcom was the first to show the couple in the same bed.
     
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    You know, I honest to God think it was The Addams Family.
     
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    Cut your losses and go straight to the riot. Trigger doesn't even do hand drawn robots anymore in a movie tier production, they'd never do a Transformers show, much less one for the price Hasbro would be willing to pay.
     
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    You bring up a lot of good points. I definitely think there's a difference between intentionally adding messages and being influenced by current events. Like how Tolkien didn't write Lord of the Rings to be an allegory for World War 2, but some of that imagery made it into the books just by virtue of Tolkien having served in World War 2, and that influencing his worldview.

    I also agree that people can read way too much into stuff. I think most political messages in Transformers are surface-level at best, and that there's almost surely no deep agenda or hidden message in it. Although I don't think it's unfair to the creators to look for that sort of stuff, as long as we keep in mind that it may not have been the intent. I think all art and entertainment is worth analyzing, and even unintentional things can be fun to read into as long as it's done as more of a thought experiment.

    I've always assumed Optimus' color scheme stemmed from the classic superhero look, which in itself is supposed to represent traditional American values. My guess is that they picked a toy that looked heroic to be the leader, and they partially perceived it as heroic because it had superhero colors. Obviously I could be totally wrong, but I think that's a reasonable assumption. Even if they did it for commercial purposes, it's likely they were still playing into a trope that's inherently political. Using political imagery for profit is still political. Unless they picked the toy by some entirely random means.

    Technically this site has rules against discussing politics, but I see this conversation as more about themes and messages in art than arguing about personal politics (at least, that's the side of things I'm trying to focus on). If this discussion qualifies as something that's against the site's rules, I'll be more than happy to drop it.
     
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