Wouldn’t the blame lay on Paramount since they have more control over the movies?

 

Megatron is my favorite villian character. But director Michael Bay Megatron didn't use his character well in the Transformers movies. I'd like to see Megatron's character in a Transformers movie as ruthless, intelligent. In fact, Michael Bay didn't make good use of the Megatron character's potential. I hope to see Megatron, the leader of decepticon, in the upcoming Transformers films in the coming years as ruthless, intelligent.

 

But you say that as if the entire plot of the 2007 movie would be redone, which is not at all what anyone is asking for. Pretty much the only thing needed is the Transformers showing up for the first time, and establishing Autobots vs. Decepticons. Everything else (like the cube, Megatron frozen in ice, Decepticons being here way before Autobots, Autobots showing I’m up in their meteor things, etc.) was invented for the movie. You could either come up with a totally different origin, or adapt the Ark crashing and being reactivated (my preferred option) and it would not feel like retreading the same plot as 2007.

 

Eh, not really since Hasbro for the most part has more of a say with the films after Bumblebee (or it might have been the months after TLK when they signed a new deal with Paramount).

 

Given Paramount literally changed the date under Hasbro without any indication of Hasbro's approval? The actual degree to which Hasbro has control is debatable.

 

Hasbro's control is in regards to the creative process, which they have far more control than before Bumblebee, where they didn't even have veto power on decisions.

Everything else they leave to Paramount. Which in this case did not lead to a good outcome.

 

What @Nova Maximus said I meant more creative control/more involvement in the creative process. Should have probably been more clear about that - my bad. This means Hasbro probably wanted a new faction as the main villain instead of the Decepticons. Kind of like Earthrise where the Mercenaries were a villain in Earthrise or even a better example: the first movie of S4 of Cyberverse.
And I definitely agree with both of you they were definitely not happy about the delay announcement.

 

I'd honestly be surprised if the general public even remembered the plot of the first Bay movie, given how forgettable and uninspired it was.

 

Why so serious then?

Is there a reason to tell me this then?
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You've also added trinkets of real life history there which I don't know if I can top that.

Transformers Prime? Uh... War For Cybertron:Earthrise?

Forget it, this doesn't make sense if you don't like those examples in the first place.

There is potential in the past and in the future. It's part of the franchise's generational timespan.

I love how NWH exists just so it adds to this existential crisis about past iterations.

Now wait till you hear that CW Superman has met Smallville Clark Kent and Superman Returns Clark Kent beforehand.

There you go. You've seen the film; you've not seen the film.

Yes it's iconic to see stuff like Batman v. Joker; Mario v. Bowser and Optimus v. Megatron.

But I admit as fun as Super Mario games are; a part of me thinks there should be a game where Bowser can take a backseat if possible.

But no one is thinking that. Even you would agree that new enemies would feel fresh compared to old ones. It's why in criticism of the Bayverse films they keep Megatron around but keep making him second banana to some of the other main villains.

No surprises there actually. Don't know why you are going there in the first place.

Definitely not the last time the MCU is brought up indeed.

 

It's worth pointing out that Spider-Man Homecoming skipped over some important aspects of Spider-Man lore (like Uncle Ben dying) because audiences had seen it too many times. Heck, they didn't even bother to start out with Spider-Man's main villain, the Green Goblin.

I honestly don't think Spider-Man Homecoming's approach is that much different from what they seem to be doing with ROTB. Spider-Man: Homecoming was set in a new continuity, but heavily leaned on the audiences' knowledge of stuff from the Raimi and Webb series' to avoid retreading ground we've seen. That way they can move forward with new villains and new stories. In terms of storytelling technique it was more of a "spiritual successor" to those series than a hard-reboot, honestly.

I get what you're saying, but I feel like this sort of movie would still have a lot of similarities to the '07 film, just by virtue of having to do an origin story. They'd still have to deal with things like the government's reaction to the Transformers presence on Earth. I'm sure a really talented team of filmmakers could make a movie that felt distinct, but I do understand Paramount's hesitance to go back to square one.

The first Transformers film is a pretty big cultural landmark. The general public definitely remembers a fair potion of that movie, even if they couldn't describe it beat-for-beat (which I think is probably true of most movies). If a reboot retreaded too much ground from '07, people would definitely notice.

Whether or not they'd care enough to affect the box-office is another question. I mean, to be fair the Bay sequels did retread a lot of the same ground themselves, with a lot of plots involving the government opposing the Transformers and whatnot.

 

The 2007 film, in my view, is the best one in the live action series from Michael Bay. Which isn’t saying much and that’s something you don’t want to say for the first film in a franchise. I remember most parts of it, more so then the other Bay films. When you hit your peak so soon, then something came out wrong.

 

I had an idea for a movie that's sort of G1 canon it takes place in between season 2 and season 3....it takes heavy cues from the comic Prime directive.

 

Well if there’s one thing that Paramount has shown they have absolutely no problem rehashing, it’s the interaction between the Transformers and Earth’s governments. In every single movie we have gotten heavy military presence where the idiotic humans seemingly have total amnesia of every single time the Autobots have helped them.

I’ve said this before, but I don’t know how many times writers of Transformers stories have tried to introduce a new human organization that is against the transformers, apparently not knowing that this has been done already. Not just in the movies, but also MECH from Prime, RAAT from the Marvel comics, and the, what, 2-3 different organizations from IDW that all serve basically the same purpose? Every time someone tries to do this, I think it’s a writer who has the idea of “what if the humans tried to kill the GOOD guys!?”, thinking that it’s a unique idea, while in reality it’s been done by a thousand different writers all likely having the same thought process as them.

So I really think there are quite a few ways of handling human x transformer relations that could be new and fresh.

 

Its more that Paramount fails to treat the films as anything other than the same basic alien invasion film every time with more or less the same "ancient alien history" bullshit.

 

The only characters that feel like they have continuation in the sequels are the humans

 

Interesting. No Nightbird figure (yet)?

 

Hello. I made this account because I really want to ask a question, do we have any chances to get leaks of these toys? Or not? Because they were supposed to release in april I guess when the film was set for summer 2022, aye?

 

When was this seen on set? First I've heard about this Skunk... lol.