Yeah but that's where the issues are, the goals have changed.

For 3+ years the goal has been "Be as accurate as possible on a mainline budget with some modern aesthetics" for both G1 (ER Prime for example) and BW (Primal having fur for example), so Prime being drastically different in designs not aesthetics throws many people off.
And had it been a better redesign for them than it wouldn't have been a big issue, as this is in no way to Knockout or Bulkheads what RTS was to Lugnut.

 

Maybe they will. And I’m sure that if that happens they’ll rethink the plans. That being said I’ve seen a lot of love, look outside of those who disagree with you. On the upcoming prime figures, I only really’d rather one to be accurate: Knockout. I absolutely wouldn’t’ve bought a Prime accurate Bulkhead, it’s the worst design.

Honestly that’s true. I think you could argue either side.

 

Yeah, it’s inaccurate. Maybe more accurate but if you wanted a screen accurate Lugnut this wasn’t it, even if it is a sick figure.


Point still stands about Alternators, anyways.

 

Yeah that's it.

When people heard Prime figures where going to be in Legacy with "the same united look as WFC", most were pretty sure the sharp designs of Prime weren't going to be 1:1 with the cartoon, they have APC for that.
What they wanted was more than just Red Jazz or AOE Hound, especially when Knockout's only other figure is this:

 

Again, history shows that Hastak doesn’t do accurate updates the first time around. I can empathize with them, it sucks when your favourite characters get changed. I hate every movie Optimus after DotM because ‘it’s not my Optimus’ but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t exist. It just means that it’s not for me.

Like it’s one thing to be upset and/ or dislike but it’s a whole other thing when people say things like “Farcee and Shithead shouldn’t exist” or “you’re not a real fan of you like these” or “this is an attack on Prime fans and has never happened before”.

And to be honest, I think accuracy is overrated. I enjoy it, don’t get me wrong, Legacy Skids I love. I love him because he’s accurate, but something like Legacy Kickback, which I like, Idk… it feels different. The more and more time passes since announcement I feel like Kickback could’ve been better if not for accuracy.

I don’t blame someone for not liking these, I mean I wouldn’t’ve liked an accurate Prime Bulkhead (animated is a whole other story) so I guess it boils down to different strokes for different folks, you know?

 

I just don't want all the backlash to be painted as fans being angry Legacy isn't doing direct Prime remakes. I think most fans can be very open to redesigns and reinterpretations, it's just that these designs in particular are disappointing to many. I think it would be very disingenuous if HasTak saw this backlash and came away with "well, guess they don't like seeing reinterpretations of Prime characters".

 

No, I am telling you to chill because you sound like truuk not munkey guy.

 

I mean…am I wrong? G1 figures have accuracy prioritized. As do live action. Why not everything else?

Let’s stick on topic. Stymying discussion isn’t cool

 

G1 figures prioritize accuracy after 30 some odd years of not, my guy. Prime fans can wait a bit. RiD01, UT, Animated and other fans haven’t gotten much. Primes lucky to have the three figures it does.

 

But, this is what is happening? Yes, #notallprimefans, but at best a very loud minority is throwing as big of a fit as the G1 crowd did over Bayverse.

You are not wrong to complain, but the way you are doing it is not helpful nor healthy.

 

Well, we need to get figures first lol.

 

Until we’re told to keep quiet by people like you. Your “holier-than-thou” posturing isn’t winning you any fans either

This is also true lmao

 

I like the Prime redesigns cause I like having new characters added to my G1 shelf. Maybe the people who don't have a problem and like the designs just aren't as vocal because they are content with what Hasbro is producing.

 

All of this. As much as I think every continuity needs its dues and preferably would get figures that keep the stylization of their original continuities, I don't mind when there's a G1 version of a non G1 character. What I do mind is when you do characters that are G1 versions of other continuities who are just scapegoats for more G1 retools, which as far as we know every Prime figure that has any info on it is. It's really annoying that they just swapped what they were doing with Generations Selects being mainline now and the G1 themed retools being in other lines, especially when you're trying to give as provocative of a name as Legacy.

 

First of all they look good and they look like TransFormers. That's number one. But number two I'm not sure why we would even need new Prime Bulkhead or Arcee, both of whom got 2 figures of their base designs in the original line, both of which are perfectly adequate, especially the first editions. We aren't talking G1 bricks, those are perfectly modern figures. Any new or better features they would have would just be at the expenses of other features they used to have. For instance, if they painted wheels they simply wouldn't have painted something else they did originally. It isn't like we are really receiving premium figures, they still cut corners all the time.

So why not give those designs a more mainline feel for a way to get the characters into the range with the most popular characters of the entire legacy. I would definitely not be buying new Prime Arcee's or Bulkhead's that weren't like this because number one I have next to no attachment to those dead end characters and universe and number two the designs weren't great to begin with. There is very limited appeal, this looks better and is much more interesting while still maintaining the characters looks. I do wonder all the Prime fans that are up in arms, where were you when some of us didn't want Bumblebee to be a sportscar mute warrior? Now designs are suddenly untouchable? Be careful what you wish for. Prime was yet another iteration that did whatever it wanted with legacy names and characters, don't be surprised that it has turned around and now happened to Prime characters themself.

 

sure, but there is always a loud reactionary crowd displeased with anything different. That shouldn’t overshadow or engulf legitimate criticisms from those who understand these figures aren’t trying to be 1:1 Prime adaptations

 

Transformers Legacy, A.K.A. Transformers outside of G1 and BW pigeonholed into the G1 WFC aesthetics.  

 

Maybe if the reactionaries didn't make up half of the last few pages.  

 

this IS tfw2005

 

Some of the Kingdom bot modes are close, some, like Cheetor and Rhinox are significantly less so. And I would argue that Legacy Arcee is pretty close to her original design, just put through a Generations filter.

Not a G1 filter, a Generations filter. Because calling the style of Generations "G1" is tenuous at best. The general look came from G1, but it was carried through G2, Beast Wars, RID01, and the Unicron Trilogy. Hell, even Cyberverse is reasonably close to the aesthetic. Saying these Legacy figures got G1ified is basically pretending all the aforementioned series don't exist.

And yes, I have used the term "G1ified" myself, but I did so not realizing what a buzzword it would eventually become. In reality that aesthetic is just the Transformers aesthetic. Things like Animated, Prime, and the Bayverse are the exception, not the rule.

And let's talk about Animated, more specifically, Animated Bulkhead. Because Animated fans have been waiting a lot longer than you have to get representation of their favorite characters. Complaining about Bulkhead not being an SUV in lieu of a military APC would be like complaining Optimus "should" be a long-nose truck, since that's what he was in G2.

Bulkhead has always been an APC. The SUV came later and didn't deserve an update nearly as much. And because I can see it now: "Animated Bulkhead was a different kind of APC", is not a valid argument. At least not in the context of Generations. We're still waiting on a licensed Lamborghini Sideswipe. Right now he's technically the wrong car. We don't have a Tracks that turns into a licensed Stingray. Right now he's a generic sports car. Megatron is a tank now and not a gun. By some miracle we got a VW Bumblebee, but it took literally since the beginning of Classics 16 years ago for that update to happen. Most of Generations has consisted of "technically the wrong alt mode". Bulkhead being a different kind of APC isn't anything unusual for the line.

So uh, yeah. In short, the aesthetic this Bulkhead follows may have started with G1, but it's gone well beyond it now, and calling it G1 is basically ignoring half the franchise. Arcee is about as accurate as Cheetor is. And Bulkhead having an Animated-inspired alt mode is a good thing.