Shockwave was a massive waste, pretty much only had one line. Starscream getting killed by Sam also pissed me off.

 

Shockwave was definitely the biggest waste but they were all done badly. Soundwave had three scenes and died like an idiot. Starscream was killed by an annoying human. And even Megatron went out like a punk lol a one armed Optimus killed him in 7 seconds.

 

Starscream design is actually one of the best that movies ever made. I just adore this angry dorito (sorry for trite description).

 

Imo bayverse saved the franchise....specifically the 1st one

 

Unfortunately I think a lot of this has to do with them going into DOTM thinking it would be the last one, so they felt like they needed to check a lot of boxes and tie up all loose ends.

I think Shockwave was included because he was the biggest Decepticon in the franchise not yet included in the movies, and they wanted to get him in there before it was "all over". Plus, he made for a good cover for Sentinel Prime.

Likewise Starscream and Megatron along with all the other Decepticons were killed off to ensure a sense of finality. Starscream in particular is an interesting case to me, because getting killed by a human the way he did just screams the whiny, incompetent G1 cartoon Starscream, but it robbed the character of any menace.

I don't agree with these decisions, but I get why they made them.

 

The first three movies together along with the tie-in comics make a very nice and satisfying story.

 

Unfortunately I totally disagree. Don't get me wrong, I loved the tie-in comics. It's just that they showed that there was very obviously no coherent plan for the franchise as a whole.

Like shortly before and after the first film we got some great comics about the war on cybertron and its causes, each character's motivations etc. Then ROTF came along and The Fallen had to be shoehorned in. And imo it's not done very well either. Like there was clearly some miscommunication between the comic writers and the film production, because in the comics The Fallen always appears as trapped in a Decepticon-logo sarcophagus, whereas in the movie itself he's just sitting on a chair. Clearly early on they had the sarcophagus idea, abandoned it, and then the comic writers didn't get the memo.

Still, the writers by and large managed to pull it off, and came up with a compelling background story that worked in The Fallen without contradicting anything that had come before. And then DOTM came out, and now all of a sudden Sentinel Prime and Shockwave had to be worked in to the story. Sentinel Prime was highly important in the story, but for some reason had never been seen or mentioned up until now. Likewise with Shockwave - which was pretty egregious because he didn't even have his DOTM design in the comics, and in the film he isn't given any background or motivation, so they could have easily introduced him earlier in the comics before DOTM and it wouldn't have resulted in any contradictions whatsoever.

Anyway, again, the writers and artists did a great job, and the DOTM comics are very good. But all the way it seems that the writers had to put in huge effort after each film to work around the massive plot holes that got introduced by each film. I sometimes wonder what the tie-in comics would have been like if they had continued with AOE and TLK. Just imagine AOE tie in comics introducing the Quintessons, only for the TLK comic having to retcon in Quintessa lol

 

Where do i begin with, okay here we go:

>While i find Cade to be a much better lead, i find AOE harder to watch because he just does not have any charisma. Sam might be annoying but he's entertaining in the least. Age of Extinction is just a chore to sit through.

>I loathe TLK Megatron design, i much prefer Galvatron or his ROTF incarnation. He's too smooth and the face is too flat.

>I feel like some people exaggerate Optimus' "psychosis" in the first trilogy. I never had an issue with him taking Fallen's mask/face because in the LA dub he says "face me now". Plus, i always interpreted that scene as him taking down his "crown" as he's clearly inspired by a nemes suit.



>"War crimes" jokes are incredibly unfunny (looking at you Bolt), considering the nature of the franchise, expecting a toys franchise full of weaponry of mass destruction to end only in diplomatic reasons it's silly.

 

I remember reading someone who worked on the comic (might have even been Simon Furham) say that when they saw the movie and saw The Fallen just sitting there sans sarcophagus, he was like "for fuck's sake" (don't remember his exact words, but the sentiment was the same).

That was funny and depressing. Shame, if they had someone working on the film who was in charge of keeping the movie and tie-in comics details more cohesive, that universe would have been much cooler and the movies would have felt more satisfying.

 

I guarantee you if Bay Prime talked out his problems more people would complain about that. Isn’t the point of a summer action movie to see cool action?

 

You know you can do both right?cool action and care about the characters and have good story.

 

No that can't be possible at all.
Looks at Marvel or any other version of Transformers in the next room.

 

They could straight up have TLK Megatron show up and lead the Bumblebee Decepticons and I'd be okay with that.

 

Rob Cohen should've directed the first one at least I would be able to watch it without getting a headache.

 

Such characters like the Dinobots was barely represented in the films/movies.

 

megatron clearly yells "my face" in ROTF when optimus blasts his head, and the same audio is clearly used in DOTM when sentinal transforms to flee optimus near the end and when optimus kills megatron. its clear to hear and i dont understand how keep mistake it or interpreting it as other things

Tony hale's character should have been cut completely from TLK, he was extremely annoying, obnoxious, childish and quite unneeded.

 

I'm ready!
- First three Bayverse movies and Bumblebee combined are better than the 1986 animated film.
- Optimus should not have accepted truce from Megatron at the end of DOTM
- The yellow dump truck did not form part of Devastator's leg and was merely random (concept art and CGI renders show no identifiable part of said truck)
- Sideways deserved to die
- Some components of Devastator like Scrapper, Long Haul survived and went to Chicago, while Scrapmetal defected to the Autobots
- Lockdown was a mediocre character

 

Transformers: Age of Extinction has the best concept and idea for the plot, but with scene that people constantly over react to because of the cringe subject matter that doesn't effect the rest of the film at all(but it is really bad). Lockdown should had lived and came back for the next movies to help build him up, and possibly have a fight between his forces and the new Decepticons in the Last Knight.
AoE concept itself is genius and should be followed again, possibly in a alternate universe story of IDW or something, make it a Logan style story and such, hell just make it an alternate universe idea like shattered glass that constantly gets new stories separate from the standard comic. I really want more post apocalyptic stories of the transformers

Someone on instagram is actually (infrequently) updating a similar story about all the non organic transformers dying and doing a similar story, so go check out shan_4art on Instagram.

 

everyone here forget what unpopular means?

 

Optimus face without the mouthplate isn't that bad honestly. imo he looks pretty handsome.