Masterpiece Beast Wars Speculation Thread

Discussion in 'Transformers Toy Discussion' started by Dachande, Nov 5, 2019.

  1. PloverNutter

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    Megs was retail at BBTS until like 2 weeks ago as I was debating getting him at the time. He is currently $280 on the chosen prime. Actually that site has the option to sort MPs by in-stock figures highest to lowest, he is #2. TFSource has him for $380 which isn't crazy higher than retail like other MPs like Dinobot being nearly $500. I do like the BW MPs and want to see more of them but it could be that they just didn't sell well enough for TT's liking.
     
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    I was answering your question about availability in Japan. That’s where I am :) 
    My bad for not being clearer.
     
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  3. PloverNutter

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  4. Verno

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    If the recent BW MP figures haven't sold as strongly as others, that could lend credence to the idea that TT didn't want to step on Kingdom's toes and over-saturate the market with a new BW MP offering this year.

    With Kingdom now done and a beastly movie on the way, hopefully we can get back to normal programming -- though "normal" is still only averaging one BW MP a year. Ideally, I'd like to see that increased to three every two years, and given the exposure the movie will bring, drawing older fans back into the fandom and creating a new generation of beast-former fans, my fingers are crossed.

    At one a year, we're still 8 years away from completing the Season 1 cast, and that's a disheartening thought.
     
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    Honestly i would be surprised if they finish or attempt to finish the S1 cast. Im expecting them to jump around under Ono when they do, do a BW character. I think BW fans will have to accept like G1 not every character is going to be done. I think your overestimating the demand for Transforners especially MPs over there, I would not be surprised to see some kind of Primal as the "anniversary" release, anything with a prime or convoy wIll get sales simply because its a Prime
     
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  6. Onilink

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    I dunno, almost for the S1 cast: thery have left out almost all fan favourite A-tier character... Rattrap, Rhinox, Tarantulas, are almost a given.
    BW all in all is different from how were handled G1, they have only few but focused characters. 3-4 years of MP BW only characters and you have completed the show cast.
     
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    It's a good point.

    There are eight potential Season 1 BW MPs still to come. Space out those A-tier characters (Rattrap, Rhinox, Tarantulas and Waspinator (who, I agree, are basically assured of MP figures in any reality)) by throwing in the others between them and voila, you've got a captive market of fans that are more likely to pick up the other four during the wait.
     
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  8. PloverNutter

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    I guess either the BW MP sales aren’t profitable and they quietly put the line out to pasture or it is like you said before that they didn’t want to step on the toes of Kingdom (which I don’t really see as Siege and ER had no affect on MPs) but this could lead to a whole new problem.

    Let’s say they skipped 2021 so as not to overlap with Kingdom since they are BW related that means they would also not want them to overlap with Rise of the Beasts in 2022, so the original plan would be to skip that year too. Problem is, RotB just got delayed to 2023 so what do they do now? Depending whether or not TT has a BW MP design already completed and ready for production do they shuffle things around and release it in 2022 since we don’t know any of the MP releases after 4 months from now? Or do they don’t want to mess up their internal schedule so to avoid more beast era overlap they now skip 2023 which means 2024 is the earliest next BW MP?

    On a more optimistic note and disregarding the notion of TT not wanting to overlap with mainline, maybe the reason we don’t know of any of the new MP releases farther out than 4 months is because they are going to announce multiple BW MPs for next year. 1997 is when BW first aired in Japan after all so that would mark the Japanese 25th anniversary. Since they are rereleasing Primal in 2022 and calling it an anniversary release this means that TT is likely celebrating the Japanese anniversaries rather than the US ones. TT could be saving a huge announcement for BW MP next year with multiple figures. This would explain why their are so many redecos of MP-51, 52, and 53 in between Tigatron and whatever comes next. Put out a bunch of figures with low cost since they are just redecos with new heads and build up your profits in case the BW figures don’t sell well.
     
  9. KylewithaC

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    Couple things here:
    I don’t think you can compare mainline mp release with mainline g1 characters to bwmp releases with beast toys. The market for g1 is so wide and mainline mp has momentum. Bw in general is a little more niche. So I could see a hesitancy to release overlap. However a big blockbuster bw theme movie is potentially going to add new buyers to the niche bw market. The advertising for bw movies will be large and targeted at a general moviegoer audience to try and capture as many of the hardcore fans as well as casual and new fans. People will be doing online searches for movie related or bw related stuff. That is a grand opportunity to have a bwmp release. I don’t think bwmp line would be competing for consumer cash at that point. Just capitalizing on the wake of interest from the new movie

    mom hoping you’re correct regarding the numerous redecos being a sign for a big new announcement. Although it might have just been giving them more resources toward the MPG line
     
  10. PloverNutter

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    The MPG line is another factor I forgot to mention. Although technically that is its own toy line they could still take resources form the MP line in terms of designers and budget. Also there is that official MP Jetfire in the works that could be slowing things down since that is a huge undertaking for TT.
     
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    Yeah that is very true! I am hopeful this line is still a priority for TT. Where it sits in the list of priorities I am not sure. 2020 and 2021 are such anomaly years given the pandemic that I will not be convinced this line is dead unless we don’t see any updates on BWMP by 2025. Then I might be losing confidence. I really hope they continue with at least finishing the first season cast. But I really really really would like to see some transmetals and the final form of cheetor is a guilty pleasure figure for me that I would love to have with mp level detail. Top figures I want ratrap season 1 & 2, rampage, tarantulas
     
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    Man, this thread is just like G1 MP Speculation thread; both should just be renamed to ‘The Season 1 fanwank thread’.

    Gimme BWII Galvatron, Megastorm, Artemis & Moon, BWN Heinlad etc etc. ;) 
     
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    Hell no I want them to stay focused and actually finish something for once. Doubt that will happen but one can hope.
     
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    Nah, they used the MPG subline just to have a sequential number over the releases of the same combiner. And maybe to establish a new scale amont giant robots (the latter has to be verified)
     
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    You don’t think MPG could be getting allocated resources that could be used for BWMP?
     
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    So we're basically going to be at least 2 years between BW MP releases at this point. Assuming they haven't just abandoned the whole thing.
     
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    Bare minimum, yes. Granted the BW MP release went from 1 per year (Primal 2016, Cheetor 2017, and Dinobot 2018) to 2 per year (Megatron & Blackarachnia 2019, Lio Convoy & Tigatron 2020) so it could be that they burned through all of their pre made designs and need time to make more. The pandemic certainly hasn’t helped things since without TT going to expos it means less chances to actually ask representatives what is going on, ie BW MPs on hiatus or done)
     
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    No, at the end they are G1 MP (if you think about it, Cliffjumper is an heavy retool, and Shouki is the new one, the seekers and Nightbird are repaints, so jetfire excluded, there is no G1 normal new MP mold on the horizon )
     
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    We have also to remember that they have basically designed an entire MP combiner team. So surely that took A LOT of focus away from the regular MP line.
     
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    That’s what I’m thinking. I would imagine generating a new line like that would not only include the total of the five train combiners but also the next set of combiners as well. That’s a lot of resources dedicated to combiner MPs