POKÉMON! The all encompassing thread of 'Gotta catch 'em all!'

Discussion in 'Video Games and Technology' started by scourge25, Jun 21, 2008.

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Favorite Pokemon Generation

  1. Gen 1

    141 vote(s)
    39.8%
  2. Gen 2

    63 vote(s)
    17.8%
  3. Gen 3

    58 vote(s)
    16.4%
  4. Gen 4

    41 vote(s)
    11.6%
  5. Gen 5

    51 vote(s)
    14.4%
  1. Scrapper6

    Scrapper6 Lord of Constructicons

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    If Black/White Black 2/White 2 get Switch re-makes can they keep the chibi graphics of BD/SP because I'm really falling in love with these 3d models in chibi form.

    They have awesome expression qualities when fighting Gym Leaders and the overall look and feel of the game so far has been a true blast. This 2.5/3D blend or whatever to capture the look and feel of DS titles on Switch with new graphics, damn, let this company go all in for upgrading the DS era, I'd love to see HeartGold and SoulSilver in this style too.

    I know it probably won't ever happen, but damnit if I don't love this over the X/Y, S/M, US/UM, Sw/Sh approach to Pokemon titles. And when can Nendoroid make these designs for my shelf?
     
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  2. Sparky Prime

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    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying experience isn't a factor, but I've never criticized the games simply because I've gotten better at them over the years. The first time I beat Red version as a kid, I essentially just used Charizard to brute force the entire Elite Four challenge, repeatedly battling them over and over again until my Charizard was a high enough level it could take them all down single handedly. The rest of the team was cannon fodder to heal Charizard if it went down. For some reason, I didn't think you could use items to heal between the battles. Needless to say, I eventually learned how to train a well balanced team, and figured out you could use items to heal between the fights, the Elite Four's not really much of a challenge for me anymore, but that's never bothered me. It's not perceived difficulty I'm talking about here. I'm talking about actual changes they made to the games.

    The Elite Four... or rather Champion Cup battles, is actually something else they'd made changes to in Sword and Shield. The game automatically heals your team for you between every match in the Champion Cup, unlike every other Elite Four challenge in every other game of the series. They absolutely made some tweaks that made Sw/Sh a little easier compared to previous games in the series.
     
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    But does healing the pokemon between the champion cup battles really make it "easier"?

    Just means you don't have to grind money to get items for healing. That's not hard, just time consuming. Besides.. Even story wise the whole healing between Champion cup kinda makes sense.
     
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    Absolutely it makes it easier. It may not be the most egregious change in the game, but my point is that having the game automatically heal the team between every Elite Four (or equivalent) battle removes at least *some* degree of the challenge for some players.

    Simply buying some healing items obviously isn't that hard in and of itself, but that's if you know what you're doing and are well enough prepared for it. To go to perceived difficulty based on experience for a moment here... As a kid playing Red for the first time, I didn't know what I was in for back then. I remember spending all the money I got in the game on Pokeballs, I didn't like buying anything else. That added to some of my frustrations when I took on the Elite Four for the first time. I ended up being able to afford some of the most expensive healing items because I had to keep re-challenging the Elite Four, but grinding for money was certainly not ideal. If they'd healed my team automatically between each of the battles back then, it would have been totally a breeze.

    The other thing is that some fans like to make it a bit more challenging for themselves. I know some that intentionally avoid healing between the Elite Four to make it a little more difficult for themselves (such as Nuzlocke players following certain rule sets). Game Freak took away that as even being an option.
     
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  5. Noideaforaname

    Noideaforaname Pico, let's go up to Zuma

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    The games definitely get a LOT easier when you learn the mechanics behind them.

    ... but man, when I played Lets Go Pikachu, my Nidoking magically survived an Ice Punch that should've killed him, then immediately thawed out when that same Ice Punch froze him. All without me actually doing anything. That'd never have happened with my dear old OG Yellow Version Nidoking.
    I mean a random Rocket Muk wouldn't have had Ice Punch either, but still.
     
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  6. prfctcellrulz

    prfctcellrulz Pokémon Trainer/WWE Champion

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    As stated many times by me the last 2 years, the ONLY 2 things that’ll get me to move past Gen 7 and go onto the next games is if Pokemon re-adds ALL the Pokemon to those games AS WELL AS Mega Evolutions
     
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    Good, wont be seeing you in these threads anymore then.
     
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  8. Scrapper6

    Scrapper6 Lord of Constructicons

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    Ok, that's a bit harsh. Folks are allowed to have different opinions man. And quite frankly I'm a little bit annoyed that somebody would say something like that about another member here.

    There are many viable reasons for why Sword/Shield was such a divisive choice and quite frankly I can see some merits in not including all Pokémon. That being said, the entire purpose of the franchise is to Cath'Em All, and taking away some of them is really a bad idea, even if there are viable reasons behind it.

    The fact that they completely omitted the National Dex in the past three titles starting with Alola and continuing into Galar is a really annoying idea. I like having National Dexs, it motivates me to keep plugging away every so often in order to complete the entire series. But as it stands, what's the point of going back into the Alola Games once 100% done or the Galar titles if there is no National Dex? Some of us aren't invested in the online meta game or tournaments or online battles, we've become used to having offline goals, like complete the National Dex and so on and so forth.

    If they didn't retain the National Dex of the Pearl/Diamond era in these remakes it's going to be a tad disheartening since these are Re-Makes and National Dexes should still exist for Kanto-Sinnoh once you complete the main game. I could care less if they didn't include the Unova-Galar dex entries since these games storyline wise don't need to worry about them, but if they axed the Nationaldex that was present in the originals I'm going to be extremely disappointed.
     
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    All Pokemon gens 1-4 are available for National Dex in BDSP
     
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    The gotta catch ‘‘em all slogan is just a English language advertisement creation.

    The original Japanese slogan is simply “Get Pokemon”

    I like it how the National Dex isn’t required anymore to get the shiny charm and other bonuses. I like how the Regional Dex is the bonus. It’s more inclusive for new young fans, the key demographic. It’s kinda punishing that kid can’t get a 100% National Dex easily simply because they were born after the year 2000.

    Now if I could have a perfect world game it would be in the same style as Sun and Moon where the National Dex isn’t needed but you still have the ability to bring them all over.

    Now as someone who has 100% the Dex. I get no thrill anymore at 100% the Dex in a game unless it features new Pokémon. Like the remakes do nothing for me. I’ll finish BDSP do all of the quest like after game stuff and call it a day. You will never get that feeling of accomplishment again if you 100% a Dex in the past because today all you need in a new Gen is like 70 Pokémon which is easy. It’s not like I’m trying to get 400 + anymore.
     
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    EXCEPT, and @bignick1693 said it best, in Gen VII, despite no official National Dex, ALL the Pokemon up to that point were coded in the games and were able to be brought in and used in them. That’s what I want, to be able to have ALL the Pokemon in them, National Dex or not, just let me bring them all into the next games with me.
     
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    Good to hear.

    I have not ONCE ever 100% a National Dex, even with a DS and 2DS now I still haven't finished trading everything over to get all the trade evos or unique version exclusives and I can't get all of the Legendaries or Mythicals in any of those titles because I already missed out on all the DS era event Pokémon and I don't own an action replay to cheat to get them legitimately.

    Just once, I would like the opportunity to get a 100% complete National Dex, but that is never going to happen at this point. It doesn't stop me from wanting to try.

    Also, I could care less about the original Japanese slogan, I was marketed the North American slogan, to me that is what Pokémon is all about. Marketing, it's effective for a reason.

    I agree with this idea, Sw/Sh should have included this option going forward, there was no excuse except for time crunch BS and even then I don't buy it. It was just lazy in order to avoid having to delay the titles. And even if they could patch it in they refuse to do it after the fact because they're already working overtime to figure out what the next gen should be.

    I am not thrilled. It's utterly pointless.
     
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    I would just like to clarify a couple things;

    Its not lazy of them to do what they must during development to avoid game delay, its them doing their jobs because they are contracted to get a game out at a specified time yearly due to the Pokemon Company's schedule.

    Its not that they refuse to add in further updates to released games like dex increase, because they are not being paid for or contracted to do so after game release (up to a certain point as shown with the dlc), because then they are contracted to work on the next games.



    GameFreak is the do, Pokemon Company is the reason.

    Only thing GameFreak has control over that is an issue, is not wanted to increase studio employee amount. However I also understand why they don't want to and I'm fine with that.

    There is disharmony though between the two and seems that neither are thinking of changing things up. Besides possibly gen 9 not releasing this year but next or that GameFreak licensed out BDSP for ILCA to work on so they could have more manpower for PLA and possibly Gen 9.
     
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    One good thing to come out of this is that Gamefreak deserves to be the butt of the jokes for bagging on the switch.
     
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    Are you talking about when it was stated that it was thought the Switch wasn't going to do well?

    That wasn't Game Freak, that was Ishihara CEO of Pokemon Company who said that.

    The only thing Game Freak has done along those lines is Masuda stating kids are too easily distracted by phones and apps now, so Pokemon games have been streamlined to not lose the attention of their audience. That and Game Freak having a really hard learning curve from 3DS to Console, more than they should of had.
     
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    You still can get a 100% National Dex. You have to do it on Pokémon Home and if you do you get an exclusive Magearna variant. It’s still worth it. Plus Pokémon Home is easier to show off your bragging rights because it’s on the phone which is something you always carry around.
     
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    That doesn’t make it any more sympathetic *small violin*
     
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    Not the point of my post, just stating a fact. They didn't say that.
     
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    Well I’m a tad annoyed now. So I’ve previously stated I wanted to play the game with a different team than before. The only thing staying the same being my Starter Turtwig/Torterra and the eventual Palkia. The rest of the team was new Pokemon, but it looked like I would be keeping Luxio and the eventual Luxray.

    Lo and behold, I found and caught a Magby in the Underground just for the Dex, but it was ACTUALLY holding the 5% Magmarizer. It also had Thunder Punch, and with my Jirachi knowing Shock Wave, I could replace Luxio, keep the Electric move coverage, and gain fire. So I worked on leveling it up to 30 tonight and used a community code trade to find a room for people looking to evolve Magmar to Magmortar. I was set to get Magmortar onto my team once the first person showed up.


    Well somehow we did the one trade and then there was a communication error or they left. I waited around for them to come back and they didn’t. So now I have a lv. 73 Magmortar from another trainer that I can in no way use on my team. Because my strongest otherwise is lv. 32 and I don’t even have the third badge. So I guess the team I have now IS my team from the looks of it.


    Torterra Lv. 32
    Luxio Lv. 28
    Bibarel Lv. 27
    Jirachi Lv. 27
    Drifloon Lv. 26
    Skorupi Lv. 25
     
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    When the quality of the games starts to suffer for it, I don't think we should be fine with it personally.

    Actually it wasn't just Ishihara. Masuda also said that Game Freak was concerned about how well the Switch would sell while they were working on the Let's Go games.
     
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