Great research and discussion here people, I love it!

My two cents:

first cent: My kid brain logic says that the blue guy turned into the new blue guy and the purple guy turned into the new purple guy.

second cent: Their sparks left their body when they died and Unicron put in new sparks into Scourge and Cyclonus so they are new characters altogether; therefore in my headcannon, there is another reality where Skywarp and Thundercracker are still alive and that is why I can have my toys of all four hanging out together  .

 

Not to mention it's sunbow logic... Or lack there of.

 

If I remember correctly the post I made about "them being dead when Unicron approached" before I re-watched the clip, I could be wrong however. From my previous recolection of the film before I re-watched this scene about a dozen times while reading the comments on this thread I didn't even make the connection about Cybertronians and fading colors as they died. Before I watched Thundercracker frame by frame fade to gray. It was connection I didn't make until I saw Thundercracker being grey mentioned later on this thread.

And to that I say I was wrong, the Decepticons were all alive to some extent when Unicron found them, most likely killed by the reformation process. Therefore nobody became anybody, except Megatron becoming Galvatron. Which has been my stance on this issue since I watched to movie for the first time 7 years ago.

 

Thank you for clearing that up

 

Well no wonder why Furman thought Cyclonus was rebuilt from a dude named Life Spark--that's literally exactly how it reads here. Like I knew there was a misunderstanding but god damn the wording here is practically begging to be misunderstood.

 

Plot twist

 

I love it

 

I like to imagine Bombshell became a sweel cause the Insecticons can multiplied, and there are many sweeps- than the one Unicron made.

 

Art.

 

So THAT'S where the whole Target: 2006 "Life Spark" confusion comes from  

 

Thundercracker became Scourge and Skywarp became Cyclonus and I'm not interested in arguing that point. It makes the most sense that Thundercracker became the sometimes disloyal minion and Skywarp became the loyal, albeit more mature, warrior. Besides, it's not like it matters much given the confusion between what happened to the extra Cyclonus or where a third Sweep came from between the introduction scene and what we see later in Season 3.

 

No, it really doesn’t make the most sense and since you don’t want to argue, I’ll just point out the main reasons why

Thundercracker was never disloyal , Sure he had issues with Starscream and made one smart ass comment once to the upper management but that’s it

A lot of people describe Skywarp loyal But just Always came off he just wasn’t smart enough to think for himself, in fact, he was referred to as stupid by Megatron himself

Skywarp was nutting but a moronic Lol intelligent bully …….. fits none of the personality attributes we know Cyclonus to have

On the other hand, bombshell displayed all the personality attributes of Cyclonus Althou for his subgroup (Including massive loyalty)

And I don’t have much of an issue with people who prefer the idea of Skywarp, Shit if I had my way, I would’ve preferred that as well

But that’s just a desire, it certainly doesn’t make any more sense, character wise and it’s not what happened

 

His character profile did put emphasis on the not feeling the Decepticon cause fully, and he was supposed to help the Autobots in that one episode (which was, cut down to just the grumbling) and Machine Wars had him as a Rebel Warrior of all things which has some implications

But yeah, any matching between the characters is just neat coincidences, as the Cyclonus and Scourge profiles were written probably around the same time they were just random guys from the broken statues around the area and not rebuilt other Decepticons

 

Which…
1) Doesn’t really pertain to an individuals sense or obligation to loyalty once they’ve made a decision to join a group or an individual
2) was never really depicted in the cartoon or the original Comics just like a lot of other things from the tech specs

Can you back the claim up at all?

Not that it really matters since it obviously was cut if what you’re saying is true, but I would still like to see it.

Completely different Continuity/universe, so no it has no implications at all as it pertains to this topic

. Yeah, one of the original ideas was to have them be resurrected ancient Deceptacon’s[/quote]

 

I like this idea the most, Unicron used body parts from both Bombshell and Skywarp to forge Cyclonus, thus stronger and taller than Scourge and Sweeps.

 

Original synopsis of the episode from the original cartoon bible.

The Decepticons are in the Peruvian Andes, converting a legendary "Crystal of Power" into a devastating weapon of destruction. However, the crystal is *too* powerful, damaging the weapon's machinery and forcing the Decepticons to raid the local village for new parts. The Autobots arrive to stop them, and Jetfire tries to convince a beleaguered Thundercracker to switch loyalties and join the Autobots. He is caught and wounded by Starscream. Spike, with the help of a local native girl, goes to his rescue, and Jetfire--with a little assist from Thundercracker--turns away the Deceptcions and destroys the "Crystal of Power."

But yeah the "Skywarp was Cyclonus because he was loyal and Thundercracker wasn't and became Scourge" was a later justification after the fact that just so happened to slot semi-neatly into those ideas

 

So Scourge was intended to be ancient Decepticon "Devron" ( Deathron?) Which of the statues life spark's became Cyclonus...
In the original intentions is it possible they would have had the memories of their prior lives, leading to Scourge and Cyclonus grappling with dissatisfaction since they were Decepticon Leaders now reduced in rank.

 

Thank you very much

The problem with that is that because events never occurred You have no call to see your summation is justified.

Not to mention even Skywarps so called level of loyalty is a bit Dubious

Using personality traits to try to determine who became who is always a losing endeavor for Skywarp Logically speaking

But again, thank you very much for the information above. It’s something I just never noticed with the Bible.

 

Is that a name of your own creation or something you saw and some of the early scripts ?

 

Devron, the name on Floro Derry's sketch for the Decepticon Hero whom Scourge resembles.