POKÉMON! The all encompassing thread of 'Gotta catch 'em all!'

Discussion in 'Video Games and Technology' started by scourge25, Jun 21, 2008.

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Favorite Pokemon Generation

  1. Gen 1

    141 vote(s)
    39.8%
  2. Gen 2

    63 vote(s)
    17.8%
  3. Gen 3

    58 vote(s)
    16.4%
  4. Gen 4

    41 vote(s)
    11.6%
  5. Gen 5

    51 vote(s)
    14.4%
  1. fschuler

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    Can you believe that I have NEVER EVER played a Pokemon game?? Not even once! I remember the initial craze fondly, though. I worked at a Kaybee Toys for a few months after I graduated college in 1999. The demand for the stuff was relentless. The cards…the games…the toys…. I guess it’s still pretty popular…lol…
     
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    I've been playing through Shining Pearl and have had the only goal of just having a different team than before. My starter being the only one I could say would stay the same (Turtwig), so I've been waiting to get to the underground hideaways and giving consideration to other Pokemon I'm finding that I've never used before or have never used in this game. And I already have one, umm, surprise pick.

    Current team, currently in Eterna Forest:

    Grotle Lv. 20
    Luxio Lv. 18
    Staravia Lv. 18
    Bibarel Lv. 17
    Onix Lv. 17
    Jirachi Lv. 17


    So I knew about the Mew/Jirachi gift if you have the SWSH/Let's Go files but I never knew how EARLY you get them. And honestly having a Steel/Psychic Pokemon on the team, and one that pretty much would not have ever normally been on the team, is pretty good to me. So I've got Grotle and the Jirachi more than likely staying, Bibarel will likely stay until I get Palkia, and the other 3 we shall see.


    EDIT: Well not long after posting this I found a Skorupi in the Underground. A Poison/Dark Drapion that can also get bug moves seems like a great pick for the team, so I'm going to replace the Onix with it.
     
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  3. Tigran

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    I forget that the elite four is
    Earthquake the musical
     
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    Can't wait for Home compatibility we might even get a Platinum episode.
    I'd like to see more Pokemon available for Sword and Shield too.
     
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    You mean there isn't HOME compatibility yet? That seems stupid.
     
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    Basically every new game has taken time to have Home (or Bank before it) compatibility since they introduced those apps/services. I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think any of them has had support at launch.
     
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    What’s you expect with Pokémon and Masuda?
     
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    Because they specificly didn't want people like you to transfer your pokemon over, then whine about how easily your level 100s plowed through the game.
     
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    Level 100 Pokémon won't obey.

    I say, let Pokémon be transferrable after beating the elite four.

    My Diamond team are:

    Torterra (chosen starter)
    Infernape (traded from pearl)
    Empoleon (traded from Pearl)
    Luxray
    Staraptor
    Golem

    Pearl:
    Prinplup
    Staravia
    Zubat
    Luxio
    Mew
    Jirachi

    After beating BD, I wanted to play through SP but truth is it's kinda boring right now. I mean gen 4 is my second favorite gen, the first is gen 3, but I'm all Pokémon out.

    I blame a number of things that are in BD and SP: changing unbreakable TMs back to one time use, what the heck was the problem? I find it tedious to have to use Battle points to get more of the good TMs. Having to use mysterious gems to buy slstes to get other legendary poke. The gems are super hard to find. I spent a whole day digging in the grand underground and found only 3 small mysterious gems and 1 large mysterious gem. Only 2 heart scale. I don't have the time to play these games months at a time barely getting any progress on the underground like I did in the original DS games back in the day. I got other games to play.

    Why couldn't the slates be earned through post elite four missions like helping Prof. Oak finding info on the bird trio and earning a slate for each bird trio you get info from or battling the gym leaders again with high level Pokémon.
    Things like that.

    I'll give it month before I want to play through SP. But forget the slates. I guess I won't get Regigigas in these game. Sure you can get it in SWSH but it's just not the same.
     
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    Don't be so fucking obtuse, I could care less about people who do that sort of thing, I was mostly thinking it'd be easier to get all three starters in both titles if I can just swap via home between games since unlike some folks here I can't afford two fucking Switch systems just for trades. I'm thinking more about Dex completion, not gaming the fucking system so I can plow through the story and shit. That isn't how I've ever played Pokemon and I am not about to start it now, so don't fucking assume shit about me just because I think HOME access at launch should be a fucking feature included since, hey, I'm paying for the fucking thing for a year and I still need a copy of SW/SH before I can even take advantage of it that much. (Since I refuse to transfer my 3DS games over into HOME and stuff since there's no guarantee I can even use any of them if I wanted to and there's no benefit to completing a Dex that isn't 100% every Pokemon ever.
     
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    I gotta say I am really loving the Grand Underground. Beyond digging up goods and making a comfy base, finding Mons earlier than usual and buying some sweet TMs really changes the pace of which the team develops. Should make future run throughs quite delectable :) 
     
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    1. That was stated in the Pokemon Presents for both BDSP and PLA and has been information that has been out for almost a year.
    2.I was going to say why not just wait to get the game till Home Updates, then realized you probably have it, so why no just wait to play till home if thats what you want?
     
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    Number one grossing IP in the world.

    Though as older fans get older, things become more controversial.
     
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    1) I don't/didn't watch any of those things, so it's news to me.
    2) The entire point of owning Pokemon HOME is to be able to transfer Pokemon to and from your games for storage and ease of trade when you can't hook up with buddies. It doesn't matter what I want to do or how I want to play, they don't limit the ability to trade between games day of release, so why limit the functionality of the Pokemon Storage Medium? It's just common sense.

    That being said, we're never going to agree on certain things or aspects of how this is handled, so I'm not going to keep harping about it. It just seems to me to be really shitty. And I'm sure younger fans feel the same way to this old dinosaur.
     
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    What kind of controversy?
     
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    Oh just, the level of quality of the current games.

    Many people look for the difficulty they experienced as an inexperienced kid playing Pokemon Red for the first time, and aren't happy when they don't find it after having 20+ years of Pokemon gameplay experience.

    That or the games being continuously catered towards children and newcomers instead of being designed for hardcore players or making a M/R rated game for adults.

    Many say that newer Pokemon don't look like Pokemon or are lazy, but everyone has their favourites and others will always defend certain regions/gens over others, even though they all share similar design concepts. Examples: simplified names, simplified/similar designs, ones they don't like and question who would like this Pokemn, etc etc.

    Currently with gen 8 almost having 1000 Pokemon in it, Gamefreak stated not all Pokemon would be able to be caught/transferred into the game. Which many, many people did not like and wanted that option. People also see Sword and Shield (recent games) to be lackluster and not up to par with current video game standards in design and form.

    Bullet point reasons for why that happened: Lots of Pokemon to model and animate and transfer to game data, for the number one selling franchise in the world Gamefreak actually has a very small employee count, they are on tighter schedules from the Pokemon Company and do not have normal game development time. They also weren't use to the switch console, being used to the 3DS/DS for so long and aren't as skilled in 3d games as one should be by now. But they are improving.

    People also have issues with Pokemon Home, the new storage system app that works for all games, that if you transfer Pokemon from an older game into it you can't trade them back to the original game and can't put them into the newer games if they aren't originally in the game, meaning they will often have numerous Pokemon stuck in the app until a game comes along that they can transfer them into.

    These are the current things many fans have on their brain.


    For me, the games are still fun, Gamefreak are adapting their skills in 3D and the new Pokemon are still cool, so I'm content. Next game is called Pokemon Legends: Arceus and is a semi-open world RPG that breaks conventional gameplay mechanics and has been introducing new things that may shake up the generation 9 mainline games.
     
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    People also forget/don't want to admit that while Pokemon is the biggest media franchise in the world.. the Video games make up a tiny tiny tiny portion of the money now. Mostly plushes and cards and TV show.
     
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    Or, Game Freak actually has been making the games somewhat easier. Such as by having the Exp. Share something you get at the start of the game, and is a permanent feature you can't even turn off anymore.

    Remember when B2/W2 had a difficulty select? Even though how they implemented it was flawed. But still, that gave players some options to make the game a bit more challenging (or easier) if they wanted. Yet, for some reason, that's a feature they've never brought back...

    Thing is, when Game Freak went to 3D models for X/Y, they made the models "future proof", according to comments from Junichi Masuda back at the time of the release of X/Y. The idea was that by making them higher quality than the 3DS required in the first place, they'd have an easy time porting them to all games moving forward, including HD platforms like the Switch, without the need to completely redo all of them. And besides cutting several of the Pokemon, and somewhat lacking in the graphics department, I'd also point out they also removed several popular features.

    It's not exactly clear what happened during development of Sw/Sh that lead them to make the cuts. Game Freak is a small developer and they had shorter development time between games, so that is certainly a possibility, but is only speculation as to if that's what necessitated them to make the cuts. I've seen some suggest they had to redevelop all the Pokemon models from scratch (despite many of the models being proven to be the same as the 3DS models). Or, I've seen some suggest Game Freak rushed Sw/Sh to the Switch when The Pokemon Company realized sales for the console were taking off. This theory is based on comments from Tsunekazu Ishihara (CEO of The Pokemon Company), that he thought the Switch would fail, and that he told Nintendo he thought they should focus on mobile gaming. Later admitting he was wrong about the Switch in an interview in 2017. Masuda also made some similar comments during interviews on the development of the Let's Go games, saying that he wasn't confident in the Switch at the time either.

    It sometimes took them a while to release a patch to make the 3DS games compatible with Bank as well... For example, Sun and Moon were released November 18, 2016 while Bank didn't get updated until January 25, 2017. USUM on the other hand were released November 17th and Bank was updated only a few days later, November 21st. So I dunno. I'd have to guess maybe they are waiting for the release of Legends: Arceus at the end of January so they only have to do one patch instead of two.
     
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    On the subject of difficulty, I'm just going to say that I had a hard time when I played Red and Blue the first time. But when I went back to Red when it came out on the 3DS? I only needed three or four Pokemon total to beat the whole game. And it wasn't even really a self-imposed challenge, it just worked out that way. Nothing significant had changed but how much time I had spent with the franchise. I also had access to strategy guides when I was a kid, so even access to knowledge wasn't a factor.

    Experience is absolutely a significant factor in the perceived difficulty of these games.
     
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