Rise of the beasts set photos, leaks, and interviews thread

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  1. Autobot Burnout

    Autobot Burnout ...and I'll whisper "No."

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    And?

    Paramount needs money because it's a company that's not had a strong hit in a long while. But what exactly do they have to gain by delaying the film when every other major film its competing against also got delayed? What exactly is the play here, are they hoping to simply score big with another 'billion dollar blockbuster' like what they hoped would be the three-peat with TLK after DOTM and AoE? Because that's what it seems to be and frankly I think that's a bad move. Transformers is still a damaged brand - Bumblebee may have fixed some of the rep but this isn't 2007 where flashy CGI alone can guarantee success, not when that's so commonplace now.

    And speaking of flashy CGI, look at how Dune was handled. You want a movie that's a gamble? Dune is infamous for how difficult that story is to adapt and the movie that just got released is literally only half the first book, but it's done the impossible and while it isn't raking in massive amounts of money, it still made money and has people hyped for Part 2 whenever that comes out. Making the big bucks simply shouldn't be a priority over guaranteed money when you're making no money whatsoever.

    That's what Paramount should have done. Just throw ROTB out onto theatres and Paramount+ as an upcharge film. It wouldn't set records but it would at least bring in money to a company that's hemorrhaging it and, moreover, re-establish the brand as something people actually want to see. Build up for the next film. Instead, Paramount's completely failed to truly adapt to a post-pandemic industry in the hopes things just return to normal and the company stays alive long enough to see that day.
     
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  2. octobotimus

    octobotimus Bad company ruins good morals

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    Not sure how beneficial it really is for paramount to keep delaying all of their money making movies for years while they are desperate for money. That’s got to be sinking into their wallet at this point to go year after year of just no releases.
     
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    Paramount is like Wizards of the Coast. It's a division of ViacomCBS rather than a separate entity. So, it is staying afloat thanks to its parent company. But there will come a time when investors will put their foot down.

    ViacomCBS itself is slowly sinking. If it goes, Paramount will go with it.
     
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    I mean they also delayed all there other big movies
     
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    Wouldn't Hasbro want the movie to do as well as it possibly can though? If that means Paramount delaying to a date that they feel is a better fit for profit and is more "certain" for success, due to the ongoing world situation being very unpredictable within the foreseeable future.

    If ROTB doesn't perform as well as it could could upon release, then that will likely detriment toy sales, merchandise & other sponsorship - so if the movie does indeed do better in the 2023 slot, that benefits all parties more in the long run. Of course some adjustments will have to be made by Hasbro in the meantime, but if this movie had underperformed because they stuck with that June 2022 date, Paramount & Hasbro could find themselves loosing a lot more money, and that will not be a good situation for either company.

    There is no guarantee that this movie will perform better with the new release date - but it is very clear to me why they think ROTB might fair better in 2023, and risking releasing on the initial release date would only raise the question why Paramount didn't push it back, if it didn't make a good profit, much like WB & Wonder Woman 1984.
     
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    So where the hell are they getting money in the short term, then? Tomorrow's possible profits aren't going to cover today's bills.

    Again, trying to get the maximum amount of profit out of something obviously is what a business would like to do...but that's not how reality works. What about the company's bottom line? They are in no position to be wishfully thinking that the bill collector will wait two years for this. Its a bad time for the industry but they gotta put something out and really, Transformers is the best choice in that situation simply because if ROTB doesn't fuck everything up, they could always just whip up a low-key sequel (which ROTB should have been, not this TLK grade nightmare clusterfuck based on what we've already seen with the on-set shoots). It builds up the franchise reputation, gets some much needed money in even if its the most it could have been in an ideal situation (and there ISN'T an ideal situation right now since that 2023 date has Marvel movies moved to around that time as well), and Hasbro's happy because they can put stuff on toy shelves and make their money.
     
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    I get that, but if Rise Of The Beasts underperforms because of the world being in another situation where people are hesitant to go out to the theatres, that will hurt everybody involved, more so than delaying the movie. That would detriment toy sales, sponsorship and many other things, then Paramount & Hasbro will lose a lot more money. If few people go see the movie - then the general audience are not going to spending nearly as much money on toys & merch in that theatrical boom period.

    They don't want to release the movie June next year and have it fail, and be left thinking "What if?". They will have no excuses in 2023 (Hopefully!) If the the movie does badly, then that's just the way it is

    Hasbro are going to want this movie to perform, ROTB makes more money at the box office = more merch sales. If the release date change pays off and the movie is a better success for it, Hasbro will be more likely to renew the deal. If Paramount stuck with next year and ROTB underperformed due to outside factors, Hasbro may move on because of that outcome.
     
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    I wouldn't at all be surprised if in 2023 people are still using the unspecified pandemic of unknown origin as an excuse why a movie that may be shit underperforms.

    The worst ending of this whole situation is they're just delaying a movie that's already shit, not gonna use this time to fix its issues, release it at a 'better' time and the normie / consoomer crowd rewards Paramount for yet another shallow and stupid movie that should have failed.
     
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    You know that is a great question maybe from Paramount plus and other tv networks
     
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    Paramount finally messaged me that ROTB is delayed. :D 
     
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    Did you ask them why?
     
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    No, I didn't ask them. They usually send me periodic updates. This one is late.
     
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    Theatrical releases only make up a portion of a movie studios revenue. Licensing is a big thing, that has been the largest revenue generator for Paramount in recent years.

    Better late than never! :p 

    Sometimes having more time can lead to a lot of needless tampering and interference from execs. Which would be my worry.
     
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    I just read up on that too...they have a large stake in universal and universal parks and alot of universals tv networks
     
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    Yep. There are a lot more factors to how movie studios make money than just making & releasing movies :) 

    They want to focus on Paramount plus too.
     
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    Which makes me think they might end up doing the whole dual release
     
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