POKÉMON! The all encompassing thread of 'Gotta catch 'em all!'

Discussion in 'Video Games and Technology' started by scourge25, Jun 21, 2008.

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Favorite Pokemon Generation

  1. Gen 1

    141 vote(s)
    39.8%
  2. Gen 2

    63 vote(s)
    17.8%
  3. Gen 3

    58 vote(s)
    16.4%
  4. Gen 4

    41 vote(s)
    11.6%
  5. Gen 5

    51 vote(s)
    14.4%
  1. marvel b

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    thank ye. request sent!
     
  2. E. C. R. Former

    E. C. R. Former Is probably insane...

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    I was going to offer myself, and then I saw that I was already on your friends list: I'm MasterEric3 :p 

    Mind if I send a request as well?
     
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    Go ahead please.
     
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    Bad news
    Only the first 4 generations are in the game.
     
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    prfctcellrulz Pokémon Trainer/WWE Champion

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    Skipping Gen 8 altogether it is. Fuck off Nintendo
     
  6. E. C. R. Former

    E. C. R. Former Is probably insane...

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    Didn't they already confirm that months ago?
     
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    I don’t know if it was confirmed previously officially, but if you actually EXPECTED otherwise you’re just a fool. While it would have been nice to have more, from a game that’s meant to be a ‘close remake of Diamond and Pearl’, I know I haven’t been thinking otherwise.
     
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    I’m just surprised that people are surprised over the leaks. Like this game was predictable from the start.
     
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    All of this stuff was known.

    Its a gen 4 remake in everyway and was never promoted to be gen 4's Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire.

    However all out of region Pokemon can be found in the Grand Underground Hideaways so thats cool.


    The thing is though, with how gen 4 is loved they really did play it safe and smart.
    Have a partner studio work on the 1:1 remake and have them grow in skill, meanwhile the core team in-studio works on a game set in gen 4 but breaks the barriers of a traditional Pokemon game, no only gaining hype for a remake but hype for possibly a new direction in Pokemon.
     
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    I honestly think at this time you'll just be walking out from Pokemon, period. These changes are here for the long run.
     
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    I agree.

    With Pokémon Home being the National Dex , there is just to many at this point but you can still technically catch them all and just store them and show them off in the cloud.
     
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    There really is no difference in concept than having them all in a PC.
     
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    Yup. Quite a few times iirc..
    Dude, seriously. Just admit that dexit failed, accept that all the pokemon aren't going to be in a single game, bar Pokemon Home and possibly Go, amd enjoy the mon you DO have the ability to use.

    If not, I call dibs on the games and pokemon you're gonna toss.
     
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    While I doubt we'll ever get another game that includes a National Dex, they haven't actually reached the point that there are to many. They actually could have included them all in Sword/Shield, but Gamefreak chose not to.
     
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    In the sense of time and development schedules, on top of the model transfer issue they had, there were indeed to many.

    Its more likely gen 9 would have a national dex be possible with now more than half of the Pokemon having proper switch models and data.

    But still not gonna happen methinks.
     
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    The time and development schedules is certainly becoming a problem for them, considering there is less and less development time between each games release. However, Game Freak hasn't been doing themselves any favors in this regard. They are a relatively small company, with much fewer employees compared to other game developers. And according to an interview with Masayuki Onoue, Game Freak has the company divided into three teams, Team 1, Team 2 and R&D. At the time of this interview (which was shortly after the release of Sword/Shield IIRC), the R&D team was new, and focused on building a “basic library” of tools for Game Freak projects. Team 2 is notably the Pokemon team that developed Sword/Shield. While Team 1 is their "Gear Project", working on developing new original game properties, and is what Game Freak as a company is prioritizing, more than Pokémon in general. I don't buy the excuse they lacked the time and development for all the Pokemon to be in the game, when we know Sword/Shield was not a priority for them that they only had the B team working on it. If they were struggling with it, they should have dedicated more resources to it. They could have made it a better game. I'd also point out the Expansion allowed them to add another 200+ Pokemon to Sword/Shield, proving they do indeed have the capabilities to add them all in, if they so desired.

    Not including them all was a choice on their part.
     
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    And it was a very poor choice at that, one that divided the fanbase badly (myself included)
     
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    Every remake thus far has been a big rebuild like OR/AS except this one. Why should people not expect that when we have.... 17 years of history to them being like that?

    FR/LG used stuff from R/S/E, it wasn't just a flat redo of the originals.
    HG/SS used stuff from D/P/Pt, it wasn't just a flat redo of the originals
    OR/AS used stuff from X/Y, it wasn't just a flat redo of the originals

    Why, when you have all of that history, would you expect BD/SP to NOT be like this? Seriously? Nearly 2 decades of doing one thing and they switch it up at the last moment? Oh, I know all of the development stuff, but if you're a layman who's used to that commonality, would you not expect the pattern to be followed?

    Lukewarm reception at reveal, plus breaking the established remake pattern, plus being one of the generally considered less popular games, plus most people preferring Platnium over these ones, makes me think this'll be dumped on come release

    Or, y'know, I can just, not buy the game, because Platnium looks to outdo it.

    Also dev stuff suggests Dexxit wasn't even planned to begin with so there'll hopefully be actually putting effort into the next
     
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    Eh not saying you shouldn't expect proper remakes that build up a past gen game into something new with current gen techniques. Just after BDSP was shown off and stated to be a faithful remake and showed how similar it was going to be, no one should have still thought it was going to be some sort of ORAS. As in there are still people shocked that Megas aren't in and feel like they were lied to when that was not the case.

    Everything new and cool in terms of what ORAS has/did for gen 3, all of that stuff is in Legends Arceus. Minus National Dex and megas of course. Legends Arceus has a lot more progress in game design, models and animation and direction as far as remakes go. Yes its a new mainline game, but it still is the other side of BDSP's verbally coin, in which both games are simultaneously the focus of gen 4's remake spotlight.
     
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    because unlike the other games this was made by a completely different studio and they said out of the gate they would be faithful remakes unlike the others as well?

    Fair enough. I'm not your wallet, after all.

    The devs have also stated that future games will have reduced pokedexes to help with game balance and at some point they confirmed they were planning to do the dex cut back in gen 7. Honestly, I'd LOVE to be completely wrong and when gen 9 truly hits get those 1200+ pokemon and their forms in there, but I do suggest not setting expectations up that high.


    All that said, I know I'm sounding antagonistic but I don't mean to be. I'd rather have you guys enjoy these games for what they got instead of angered about what they could've had. That's what I did and I can honestly say that gen 8 so far is my favorite of all time. I've seen enough heartbreak from expectations through Smash bros alone and seeing the same thing happen with Pokemon worries and saddens me. Just let go of the anger, guys... it's doing more harm than good....

    edit: And yeah, i let my annoyed self take control earlier. Sorry about that....
     
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