Ah so you didn't ask a question then? Could have sworn I saw a question mark on there.....

Nothing to see here but massive entitlement from collectors who literally resent other guys getting their preference for the.very.first.time.

Stay classy.

Edit - wait. This got front paged? Now I get it. The cycle continues.

 

Totally missing the point. It's not his opinion - it's the douche way he expressed it. You at least have some class explaining that this style isn't to your tastes rather than just shitting on it, which is totally cool (although, as you allude to yourself, if you don't even like the whole line anymore, why even say anything?). Him, not so much. Just coming into a thread/forum for something you have no interest in, just to say to all those that are into it 'pathetic, garbage, stop making something I don't like' is the very definition of trolling, and against forum rule 13. That's why he gets 'dogpiled'.

 

Nothing was dumbed down. In order to be dumbed down, there would need to be an original progenitor design to simplify. The cartoon models ARE the first/OG designs of the characters. The comics are something entirely different, and secondary to the animation.

 

The MP line has evolved multiple times since it started, and while I did prefer the Hasui style of the carbots, it’s not stopped me buying the toon ones.

Main reason for me is they still represent the best version of that character in my eyes, good example in point would be grapple and inferno.

I’ll be getting this as it, again in my eyes, appears to be the best mp representation of cliffy….fucking clown shoes and all  

 

Anyone know when this could get announced? Any toy shows coming out soon?

 

So, you're starting with insults about entitlement and not being classy. Nice. And then a remark about how this got front-paged, insinuating I'm some sort of riff-raff that's come in to spoil things. I still have yet to insult anyone or do anything other than register my opinion on toys.

This kind of attitude is exactly why I posted. I don't like seeing people get shouted down for differing opinions. On toys.

But that's the thing, and I even made sure to go back and reread what he posted to be sure. He only ever referred to the toys, not people that liked them. In return, people are insulting him. And now me as well.

 

LOL @ the drama. I for one am looking forward to this release! So far so good. My only gripe would be the face lacking the panel groove from the bottom of his eyes down and around his chin (hot take, and probably many might disagree). The previous MP-45 had it, so that would definitely be nice for the sake of consistency in toon aesthetics.

 

If you consider Ironhide to be the beginning of the full-cartoon-accuracy design philosophy, then that's been the standard for over FIVE YEARS at this point. Who is surprised any more? Why do these conversations keep happening? At this point, everyone has had plenty of time to decide whether they like it or not. It's selling, it's clearly working, and it's not going to change barring the occasional one-off here and there (see: Skids).

I'm one of the people who likes it, I think Cliffjumper looks fantastic, and I've never been happier with my G1 collection since deciding to go all-in on cartoon-accurate MPs.

 

Looks like they didn't tweet them as actual scribe lines like Grapple and Tracks but where his face would contour.

 

Darn, I missed the drama got the popcorn here, but while I am here, I prefer the toon aesthetic because that's how we remember them, that's how we remember the autobots and decepticons. With the toon designs and the amount of engineering, I like the idea that they are willing to pull off the impossible.

 

Fixed that for you.  ​

 

There's opinions. Then there's this....

You could have simply said: 'not for me, not my cuppa tea.' But you didn't.

Personally I sail on past toys that don't interest me. I don't see the point wasting my time if it literally is everything I dislike about a toy. I certainly wouldn't go in a thread to shit on others preferences in their toys in the guise of 'differing opinions' and I wouldn't set a question then feign indignation when someone answered me. All on the back of someone else calling it 'pathetic'.

I get it. We all like different things. Ppl need to focus on the stuff they do like. It's supposed to be a fun hobby afterall.

 

The toys came first, that's what is being dumbed down from. It's why there are disparities in the comic and cartoon depictions of characters during some of the initial comics, the comic artists and the cartoon's animators interpreted the toys in different ways, with the comic artists trending towards a more literal interpretation since they don't have to actually draw a multitude of frames showing that character jumping 10 feet off the ground and landing on top of a wall.

 

Was it ever? Starscream wasn't an F-15 and didn't have the cannon and other real F-15 parts. The canopy wasn't see through in bot mode most of the cartoon either. MP-44s had things that were off from the cartoon like the headlights.

 

That's not the point. You aren't free to say whatever you want as long as you aren't directing it to a person/persons on the forum. Go read the forum rules. Again - 'This is garbage, pathetic, stop making something I don't like' is childish sewer level posting, and against rule 13 and arguably 1, and simply isn't welcome. Being polite and respectful isn't hard.

 

The recent Masterpiece figures look way more premium than previous versions. The lack of detail just looks so, so smart.
The more detail they have, the more "chug" they look.

However... saying that, I think Cliffjumper could do with having the face contour details added like Mp-45 Bumblebee. That might make him look closer to the drawings.

 

If only we could have kept things pure! Imagine this thing tipped over getting blasted by Megatron in the movie! Glorious!!

 

To be clear, I said "fully evident." Yeah, we saw it with Grapple and Inferno. It's even somewhat arguable that the beginnings of it were seen with Ultra Magnus given how few painted details we saw on him. But Rachet and Ironhide, no one was really expecting anything other than full toon because I don't think many people wanted to see those sleds and windshield faces. And with the BW figures, being cartoon accurate means a lot different than being cartoon accurate with Sunbow. I just remember that it was really Sunstreaker's release when it became undeniable they were going full on in cartoon accurate direction and we weren't going to see any more figures that were aesthetically like MP-10 or Prowl. Maybe I'm wrong and that was just my perception at the time.

 

if they made that figure in the masterpiece style but gave it a grey beard and santa hat, then shit, i would buy it.

 

@Deadboy



For once, whenever I gotta eviscerate a somewhat hot take, I get a pretty damn good rebuttal in return. Legit, proper kudos to you, my good sir.

Before I get to the meat of this lemme just preface with this.

It was not, has not, and certainly is not my intention to insult anyone based on their opinion in a manner such as this and similar, this being no exception. The earlier post gave a hot take, partly opinion and partly douchy delivery, and I responded. Didn't insult him, or at the very least intend to, only offered a, albeit slightly jagged, for lack of a better term, rebuttal. Artie is certainly in his own right to have his opinion, that I absolutely will not and absolutely have not argued against, but a hot take is a hot take, and I had to call it as I see it. Responding to hot takes has kinda been my thing for a bit, if you haven't caught a couple of mine from a while back before. As for the dogpiling part, other people also disagree with his sentiment, that I can't help, i'm just me.

But all I can say is that it 100% was not my intention to insult, just to offer a rebuttal, and if I did indeed insult, I sincerely apologize.

Now, where was I?

True. I did try to find a more up to date group shot but that was the best I can manage.

Then again, in the case of at least Prowl and Wheeljack, they received toon-accurate repaints later down the line instead of a proper 2.0. I wish they would've gotten the latter, but it seems the former was deemed enough, and I can honestly see why.

As for when the true shift happened, it kinda depends on who you ask. Some say Ultra Magnus, some say Ironhide/Ratchet, some say Megatron, some say Inferno/Grapple. So it at the very least, it's up for debate on a very specific, but a somewhat specific release-frame I believe we can all agree on.

An absolutely valid perspective. I love me a dumbo Grimlock but at the same time I still adore how both FOC and the IDW comics pre-MTMTE (for the sake of your point, not that MTMTE ruined Grimlock, which I don't think in the slightest) portrayed him as. Hell, I grew up calling the blue one Frenzy and the red one Rumble, thank G1 Awakening (that mobile Fire Emblem looking game from like, '09-'10) for that.

I mean hey, I came from a different stroke of Transformers to begin with. Grew up with Bay and Animated (and a bit of G1 as well here and there), fell out of everything as a whole when the newer cooler non-Transformers thing came out, then years later Bumblebee started being advertised, and at the same time I discovered both Masterpiece and the IDW comics, all of which just ended up sucking me in for another wild ride, which soon enough became a lifelong ride up to present day.

As for the Masterpiece argument, you make a fair point and ask a fair question, but at the end of the day I have to disagree.

They are indeed based on the cartoon, but certainly not 100% directly lifted.

If you take a look, at least in terms of what I am able to muster, at MP Sunstreaker compared to his cartoon, and the design sketches of MP-44 and MP-36, while all 3 are very faithful to the cartoon, they all at the same time offer a unique, edge or flair, to put it in a way.











Credit to @chchchch for compiling the amazing D.M. model sheets.

Point being while they were all based on the cartoon, I would hesitate to say that they were line for line copies of what was seen on screen.

But at the same time I believe there's a bit more of a philosophical answer to the questions which kinda goes hand in hand with the above, one which i'm pretty sure we both can kinda feel. We most likely imagined our childhood Transformers figures as fucking godlike, but years later when we open up the ol' toy box, more likely than not if you compared whichever figures they may be to say, the latest mainline release to hit the shelves, more often than not it'll comparatively be crap. Meanwhile we see these Masterpieces, at least some of us can get from them that these were what we had from back in the day but now at it's peak, but at the same time it isn't 100% what you've seen on the screens before and held in your hands before, it's something very similar but it's got something of it's own to boot that makes it a damn good nicety.