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Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by jametron, Mar 15, 2008.

  1. SMOG

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    That's a joke, right? Justifying the commonplace nature of Prime's deco based on the fact that the fictional vehicle he scanned has the same deco? :) 

    That must be why there are so many identically painted Camaros around for Bumblebee to coincidentally scan within 5 seconds of someone criticizing his alt mode? ;) 

    I swear, if anyone involved with the script or direction of the movie had been on hand when that scene took place, I would have gotten out of my theater seat just to go smack them. And the use of the "Battle Without Honor or Humanity" theme from Kill Bill for that scene, solely because BB has a deco just like Uma Thurman's Bruce Lee jumpsuit? That's like the dollop of fresh puke on top of the bullshit sundae. Sigh...

    But I digress... I agree with you that most truckers pimp their rides with flame decos and the like. I'm not sure if that's relevant, because no matter how identifiable your deco is, I think a truck cab on a dark night is still 10000X less conspicuous than a sprinting giant robot. :) 

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  2. Torque

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    what i noticed nobody has touched upon is that the Sector Seven guys had scanners. they can detect their Cybertronian energy. so if Prime had Transformed, Sector 7 would have captured them all-their would have been no distraction, and the scanners would have found them all easily. by staying in robot form, he draws all of S7 to him, allowing the rest of them to escape. then he hides under the bridge, which not only completely hid him, because it was made out of concrete (i think) it masked his energy signature-kinda like how putting a phone tower inside a concrete room would make it impossible for phones to pick up the signal. and he kept Sam and Mikaela with him because he could have felt keeping them with him would have been safer-he knew he wouldnt be caught (cause he's that awesome) so figured they would be safe with him. Sam, Bumblebee, and Mikaela wouldnt have been caught if the humans had just listened to Prime and hold still instead of moving around on his shoulder-moving and the suction of the helicopter blades is what caused them to fall from Prime.
     
  3. sto_vo_kor_2000

    sto_vo_kor_2000 Banned

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    Not a joke at all.My point was to refute the fact that if Prime was in truck mode that he would stand out simply because of his paint scheme.

    And he wouldnt have.

    All joke aside even before the movie was released I have seen plenty of sport cars and pick up trucks with the same deco scheme.

    Maybe not the same colors but the same theme.

    Most are older Mustangs with a white strips on a blue body but my point is that the theme is not that uncommon.


    Hehe ;)  Funny

    It may not be relevant in reguards to what happened in the film but it is to the reply I was giving.

    The guy I answered was implying that the flame deco would have singled him out as not a normal truck to anyone following him and like I said there are plenty of truck out there with simular paint jobs.
     
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    Honestly, it was a pretty lame scene to see a 50-60 foot tall robot hiding under a bridge. But if you want to get technical, hiding under a bridge isn't like hiding inside a lead vault which x-rays cannot penetrate or whatever. The sides are open. And radar CAN detect that. Who's to say what kind of scanners they had anyways? And why are you trying to make it into a technical issue.

    Frankly, Optimus only had one option - to outrun the S7 guys. Thats what any clear thinking person would have done. To get beyond reach of their scanners and THEN to hide and regroup later. However, that would have taken extra time and the script writers needed everyone to be in the dam in the next scene. It was all so contrived.

    EDIT: About the truck deco scheme: I have only seen single color trucks myself. Most trucks I see are trucks that seem to be working for a certain company like Wal-Mart. Honestly, I have never seen a blue truck with red flames on it myself. I've seen blue trucks and red trucks but not anything that garish. Maybe the trucks I see aren't owned by their owners? I don't know, but to me at least, its a rarity to see a truck colored in that manner...
     
  5. Torque

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    i know its not like a lead vault which X-Rays cant penetrate, but its not xrays, its a small energy signature-and the bottom was open, not the sides-if the sides were open he would have been seen
     
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    Well like I said I did say simular paint scemes.

    I've only seen one Blue truck with red flames but that was after the movies designs were leaked so who knows if the truck oner wanted to look like prime.

    But I've seen white truck cabs with Ice blue flames or ice blue icicles decos,Black truck cabs with red to orange flames , truck cabs with a night skyline theme, flaming skulls, snow flakes, grey aliens all around I even saw a truck cab with the Scobby Doo van deco and one that was painted to look like the General Lee from the Dukes of Hasard.
     
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    Thats the point tho, whos to say what their scanners could or couldn't pick up and what they could or couldn't penetrate? Who's to say what the range is for the scanners? Meters? Miles? Feet? The thing about using your reasoning to defend it is nothing is known about the scanners.

    He was hiding under a bridge. There is basically one flat plane on top and another plane (the ground) on the bottom. So thats why I said the sides were gone...
     
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    I know that Semi cabs have all sorts of different paint jobs, I was merely refering to the fact that a semi with that paint scheme in the city without a trailer looks a little off.
     
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    I think your assessment of what is "uncommnon" is a bit skewed. Certainly it depends on the city and neighbourhood you're located in, but the general percentage of cars on teh road made up of ostentatiously decorated hot sports cars is small enough that BB's alt mode is hardly inconspicuous.

    The likelihood of Bumblebee spontaneously finding a new-model Camaro in exactly his colour scheme at the exact moment he wanted it is so small that my suspension of disbelief, already reeling from the rest of the movie, caved in completely. :) 

    True... sometimes at least. In the places I have lived though, you almost NEVER see custom trucks like that. I don't think I've ever seen one in my entire life, and years of highway driving... though I know they are common in some areas. But whatever... we do agree on the point that he would have fared better in truck mode than robot mode. :) 

    And the point is moot anyway. If Sector 7 can track autobots by their energy signatures, then running doesn't really do much at all. And the whole "leaving bumblebee to his fate" thing was dumb too. I mean, the whole damn time that Bumblebee and Sam were in captivity, what the heck were the Autobots doing? Driving around? How is that not a colossal waste of time. They're damn lucky that Bumblebee and the Allspark just -happened- to be in the same place, because those glasses became pretty redundant to the plot in a hurry. ;) 

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    But correct me if I'm wrong.....but that wasnt really the "City".

    It looked like a sub-berb to me and Trucks with out trailers are not that uncommon in the berbs.Maybe not so common at night but not uncommon enough to lead to no other conclustion that it must be a alien and not a truck.



    I dont know if I'd say "skewed" but I would say my assessment may be tainted.

    I'm originally from NYC [I live upstate NY now] and the shear amount of cars on the road is stagering and I can tell you this one my last trip back home.....while driving thru Brooklyn to get to Queens alone I must have encountered hundreds of cars with BB's paint scheme.Not yellow and black but two racing strips over a sold color.

    Even today here in Upstate NY while on my way to a toy show my daughter pointed out at least 7 cars with BB's black strips over yellow color scheme and I know I saw at least 7 other cars on the road with the same scheme but different colors.

    As a matter of fact theres 2 cars in my houseing development with the same scheme.

    Maybe I live in a area with guys that like strips:crazy: 

    There very common where I'm from.I live along the New York thru-way and its the major high way from trucks delievering goods to and from Canada.

    And yes Prime would have done far better in truck mode.

    Agreed.
     
  11. Torque

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    ah, i see what you mean-but what i had meant was that when he hid under the bridge, the concrete blocked his energy from going out, which is why the chopper guy said "i lost him" he was no longer on the scanner screen. when they approached him, the concrete continued to block his signal from going out sideways. once under him, their scanners are most likely aimed at the ground, thus why he went undetected.

    and scanners pick up signals, not send out their own-if prime's energy signature is being blocked by the concrete on either side of him, then his signature bounces back to him, and doesnt get past the concrete, which means no energy went past the concrete, meaning the signal wouldnt make it to the scanner.

    though it is true, i dont know how that specific scanner works-but i bet im not too far off.
     
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    For all the folks taking issue with this scene: The Autobots I know and love wore lab coats as part of a ruse, expecting that to fool their enemies into thinking giant metal men were human scientists simply because of the white coats.

    And it worked.

    Bay and crew were just being true to the source material.
     
  13. HyperGeek_1984

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    I realize that my posting this at 4am will maybe undercut my point a bit, but it was a movie, let it go.

    Yes movies do dumb things that seem idiotic when you think about it later but at the moment when you're caught up in the experience, you don't think about it. Or at least you shouldn’t

    People need to remember how just let go and truly let themselves and their imagination play again. Learn to be a kid again and just go with it. If you can't enjoy something because it doesn't hold you hand and explain everything in a linier, logical manner, you're doing it wrong.
     
  14. DanoMcKenna

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    Well, no amount of being a kid again is going to change the fact that the scene was crap.

    From the time the autobots pull up to Spike's house to everyone getting to the hoover damn the movie is all but unwatchable for me.
     
  15. jametron

    jametron Halfway to Heaven, under horsepower of my own…

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    Go to a truck stop parking lot sometime... you'll see some pretty crazy shit in terms of paint schemes etc! Prime's paint scheme is pretty tame comparitively. Anyway, I think it matters little. It's not like the S7 guys knew he turned into a big rig. Had he gotten out of site and transformed, I think they could have gotten away.

    LOL! Yeah, good damn point!
     
  16. Irv Gotti

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    Actually, the S7 chopper pilots clearly state that they lost Prime's IR (Infrared) signature. Prime's robot mode allowed him to go faster than what traffic allowed ( remember all the cars he skipped over?) He cut around buildings and finally went under the bridge, where the infrared could not pick him up due to the thick concrete. Primes evasion DID work until the chopper approached under them and the suction pulled the kids off of Prime (that and the fact they didn't listen when Prime told them not to move and instead peared over the edge of Primes shoulders. I believe the scene was simply badly paced/ edited that it flow didn't flow well and seemed rushed, hence why this thread even exists at all.

    AANNNDD... BEFORE ANYONE SAYS IT... INFRARED COULD NOT DETECT PRIME THROUGH CONCRETE. Infrared is based off projected light which is then read back through IR lens. It does NOT detect heat despite what the Predator movies insist. That is called Thermalgraph or Thermal-imaging and that can detect heat emissions through certain barriers dependent on thickness. We don't know if the Transformers would actually show up on such sensors, as the movies don't quite make it clear.
     
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    Good answer.



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