Transformers "Raiden" Project

Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by chchchch, Oct 18, 2019.

  1. Onilink

    Onilink That's my secret, captain, my head always hurts

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    So you think that a truck + trailer, maybe a little shorter than Optimus prime, could collapse in a voyager like robot and form also the body of Menasor, all in a Commander price point?

    Or, another case, that the truck form Motormaster, the trailer transform in part of the Menasor body, and the total mass is similar to the CW Motormaster?
     
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    I don’t think they’re gonna try and pull off what Fansproject did back then, but I could see a voyager-ish Motormaster cab with a Leader class trailer that transforms into the Menasor skeleton.

    If you are skeptical about the feasibility (budgetwise) of that option, I can’t blame you. I myself had hoped that the limbs would receive the Voyager class treatment to enable sleeker and taller robot modes. Wishful thinking ofcourse, cause that would push the grand total of the set well over $210 (no way Hasbro would go that far).
     
  3. WishfulThinking

    WishfulThinking The world has moved on...we've always said.

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    The only reason I disagree is because of how faithful this class has been trying to function as to either the toy or the cartoon. Traditionally, the cab becomes Motormaster's feet and the body is made out of the trailer. That's going to be hard to pull off if you're making him a tall voyager in robot mode but I also don't see Hasbro shying away from the challenge either. I'm sure there will be some faux parts to pull it off...but I'm fully anticipating thicc boi Motormaster (like, folding in half almost with the cab collapsing down to form smaller feet) transforming into a thinner Menasor skeleton.

    Making the cab Motormaster and his trailer be the skeleton might be the path they go down. But that feels a little like a cop-out and a little bit of a step backwards to Combiner Wars...at least to me.
     
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    Yeah well the soft reboot of WFC is making everything more accurate to their source materials (anything pre-Prime anyway) and the cartoon design of Menasor doesn't exactly leave a lot of options.
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    Does make me wonder how Takara would do an MP scaled (or possibly MPG scaled) Menasor.
     
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    I can't say I feel confident enough in arguing for one over the other (my first thought is that that route belongs to Masterpiece) but I didn't consider that the G1 toy did that too. So you might be right. That would be my preference for sure (I've got enough trucks where the trailer forms the body). Provided that Motormaster doesn't turn out too compromised. But it may also depend on the team's vision on sticking to (transformation) accuracy for the next trilogy.
     
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    Bring minimal Partsforming would win out, Motomaster would come from the cab and the trailer would be the body for menasor. Everything would be integrated in the trailer and at 12-15 inches they could go full binaltech/ alternator on the cars since they wouldn't need to hold the hands or feet.
     
  7. BattleGurijiba

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    There’s Prime stuff in WFC? When did the soft reboot start?
     
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    Some Prime stuff will be coming in next year's Legacy line. Arcee, Bulkhead, and Knockout.
     
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    I think when it comes to Menasor, Hasbro can't do ALL of the following:

    - a cab+trailer that becomes a voyager-ish height Motormaster (instead of just the cab becoming Motormaster)
    - a truck mode that scales properly with the cars (meaning much larger than cars) but also the robot Motormaster is only slightly bigger than the cars' robot modes
    - a toy that can covert from the relatively small Motormaster robot to the larger Menasor torso (and limb skeleton too, potentially)
    - do it at retail pricepoints and meeting child safety laws

    So, they are going to have to make a call and pick some goals to hit and others to pass over. Unless you're at Fans Toys price/size/budget/complexity/kid-unfriendliness you can't do them all. We'll kinda just have to wait and see which ones they choose. My own speculation is that making Motormaster the cab and the trailer basically be base-mode/Menasor skeleton lets you hit the most points the most easily.
     
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    Soft reboot started with Siege, but the Prime stuff is coming in Legacy.

    Only it's retools of Prime characters from previous G1 figures, like Knockout from SS86 Jazz and Bulkhead has an alt-mode that looks similar to Inferno/Grapple.
    Needless to say Prime fans aren't that happy, especially since Cybertron Metroplex and presumably the other UT stuff will look much more accurate.
     
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    I just can't do it. Without definitive word on the total combined height or pictures of it fully combined, it is just too much of an investment to take a flyer on. Figure does look great thus far, but not big enough into the series (I don't have the originals) to venture down that road almost blindly.
     
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    I will say, IMO they really should at least reveal the full combined mode, in CAD form if nothing else. Just so people know what they're getting at the end of the expensive road they're being invited to travel down one MP at a time.

    I have no horse in this race as I'm not getting him personally. I do think he looks awesome to me, and I love what they're doing with him. But I also know for something that isn't fully up to some people's standards, who are already in their minds having to accept some compromises, it is only fair I think to let people know what they're signing up for. Especially since the silhouette has been kind of divisive.

    Just put it all out there and the ones who want what's on offer will bite. The ambiguity can only serve to keep some on the fence I feel.
     
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  13. Hicks_Royel

    Hicks_Royel Hurts feelings being honest.

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    But then they couldn't have you halfway committed to the team before you saw the final piece of the puzzle.
     
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    I don't think it's anything that ulterior, personally. I think they just kind of aren't great at figure reveals. Lately we've seen tons of leaked poorly hand painted samples and even pre-production prototypes and thefts. Their photography for MPs has never been as high quality as it could be (many have lamented over the years than even fan photographers do a better job.) And now a silhouette that fans managed to brighten up, that they apparently didn't want us to see, from a video that doesn't do Raiden any favors.

    I am always of the belief that Hanlon's Razor is more likely to be the cause of these things than nefarious motives. Not that nefarious motives can't or don't exist too. I just don't think they are being that cagey about it, given all the leaks. I think it's more that they just... kind of don't do a good job of it. And that was more my point. That they should make more of an effort to just get the information out there fully. It can only help them (and fans.)
     
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  15. WishfulThinking

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    IF it goes that way, I'm still uncertain, then I'd wonder how well they could re-engineer the toy into a Thunderclash (effectively ironically walk backwards from the unreleased Universe Menasor to G1 Thunderclash, heh heh).
     
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    Damn this is awesome!
     
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    I'd be all over a Thunderclash that retooled a Motormaster cab into the robot and the Menasor-body trailer into the gun platform.

    Kinda akin to what Fans Hobby did to make Thunderclash from PM Optimus.
     
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    That's a good looking CHUG sized train
     
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    love those props
     
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    not show accurate at all though, they are chunky AF, just like CHUG style figures are. Not at all masterpiece aesthetic.

    licensed figures aren’t unique to masterpiece. masterpiece also has unlicensed figures so the argument is baseless.

    “Highly painted”. Don’t make me laugh.

    the only thing that is off is literally everything.

    these aren’t masterpiece scale though. They’re chug scale just like CW devy, which is NOT masterpiece scaled.