Not sure where you're getting your evidence from but that's a negative. Constructicons are more along the height of seekers. At least in the world of the cartoon:



In which case 3P Constructor, where the individuals are MP seeker height is closer to where the character should be in both individual and combined scale if we're comparing to CW Constructicons that are around car bot height and come to 18" tall combined.

Looking at Devastator on that chart I'd estimate he'd be around 24/25" to the Constructicons 8(ish)" heights individually if we're basing them off mp52. But that's ignoring there's 2 different heights for him on this official guide, which is hilarious.

Either way, 18" is way too small. But I don't think Takara are going for scale here at all so ultimately it doesn't really matter. That said if someone wanted a closer to scale combined mode for Raiden, or any other combiner for that matter, there's other options that fit the bill and having those options is never gonna be a bad thing.

 

They are going for HO scale alt-modes*, that has been made clear by the track etc. Very much precisely to scale, just not how many people expected.

Robot/combined mode is a purely "whatever size comes from that alt-mode" based decision.

*due to Japan's freight trains using Cape gauge rails, having all 6 members be HO scale isn't really possible (without using two different sets of track)----I calculated out earlier that making those members of the team S-scale would let them work on HO track. They'd be out of scale but correctly gauged. The 2 bullet trains are certainly the most famous members of the team, and seem to be the basis for everything else.

 

Well that's interesting. That suggests to me that the next combiner is gonna show how things pan out. They either make it to fit with Raiden or he's a one off because of those trains and the individual robots moving forward will be the focal point and the combiner is what it is based on that.

 

Yes, the theorizing began when we didn't know the train scale. Now that we knot that is HO ,unfortunately, we have a lot of mass shifting to alt mode in robot mode, but a more compacted combiner mode. I don't think (i hope) that other combiner will not have some alt mode constraints, so we can have a bigger size. It's not good or wrong in general, it's an engineering and marketing decision to have an HO train scale, but at least there is a correct robot scale.

Yep, i was talking about how big shoud be a constructicons to have a correct sized combiner (and of course, that will be totally out of scale in component mode)

 

Important parts bolded for emphasis. The no.1 biggest problem IMO with Hasbro and Takara over the past few years is the lack of official reveals, images and community engagement.

The best explanation I've seen so far is that due to their realistically-proportioned train modes, they all have a bunch of junk/parts that need to go somewhere so they ended up as the foot wing-gun-things. I highly doubt that they're add-on pieces, since if they were there would be no reason for them to be that complicated.

After examining the images in more detail, I now realise that there really is not much mass to Shouki's robot mode. This is completely understandable given the constraints of the train mode. So it seems that he is indeed crumpled up between the train nose backpack and his legs.

In G1 and MS, Kaen forms the thighs, hips and the lower torso. The problem with the MPG silhouette is that it looks like Shouki's train nose extends all the way to his waist, meaning Kaen plays a much smaller part in the torso.

Yeah they both have their ups and downs and their own priorities.

MP Sideswipe or slightly bigger for the individual bots and roughly CW Devastator or slightly smaller for combined mode seems likely.

 

I’d like to just comment on this before the Sideswipe assumptions become “gospel”. I’ve looked at the pictures available including the 1 comparison to MP UM, Prowl and Sideswipe and Shouki very much appears larger than SS. Their heads are close to the same height in the picture but Shouki is clearly standing in front of SS and is taller than him by more than what the perspective would account for. From my estimates, Shouki is slightly shorter than MP Ironhide.

As for Raiden, I’m hoping he’ll be close to Titan Devastator but it’s unclear at the moment how big he’ll end up. So I am hoping you’re right that he’s that big or only slightly smaller.

 

Best guesses so far based on scaling of images in CAD from the known train size are 19-20 cm bot mode. Also AE has him listed as 20cm. That's a lot bigger than Sideswipe - a head to half a head shorter than Ironhide.

Best guess for Raiden from similar method is only 13-14". But that has the big caveat of assuming the silhouette is an accurate representation of the final figure.

Anyone able to find him on Nippon Yasan yet? Do I just suck at searching?

 

Just pre ordered  mine at BBTS. I think the  trainbots are  a different MP line then the original  line up. That be a   clever thing to do. What they  should do is  released one MP  one a  month.

 

Anomaly detected!! People paying full price for a Takara MP!!!

 

If anything this release has shown how meaningless the word MSRP really is.

 

There’s something I’ve been mulling over. Would it be a possibility that they’ll go with 2 different scales for the train modes?
Here’s my train of thought: We know they’re releasing tracks to go alongside with the trains (at least we know for Shouki and, for this discussion, will assume the same for the rest of the Trainbots). We also know that bullet trains run on a different gauge track compared to the rest of the team who all run on a smaller gauge. Then, from what we’ve figured out so far, Shouki appears to be HO model train scale. If that ends up being true, his track gauge will only work with Yukikaze. The rest of the team would need different tracks to stay true to scale.

So what will give to make this work? Train scale across the team, track gauge or some other work around?

I see a few scenarios here:

1- All trains are HO scale and come with the same size of track to match with Shouki. This means the wheels on the non-bullet trains would be wider and off scale so they can run on the standard HO gauge track.

2- All trains are HO scale but come with different gauge tracks so they’re all HO scale but the non-bullet trains would technically be HOe (?) scale. This options means they can’t all run on the same track and would come with different sized tracks to fit their required gauge.

3- The bullet trains are both HO scale and then the other 4 could be Se scale. This scenario would allow all trains to come with the same size of tracks. It also means the trains aren’t all to the same scale. It it would keep the each train at a proper scale with the benefit of all running on the same track. This option may also provide some extra bulk to some of the smaller trains that make up the Trainbots.

Just some thoughts to mull over while we all wait for more concrete info.

 

Interesting thoughts in here lately. I hope we’ll see some more images soon.

Hang on, I gotta take a leak.

 

 

I imagine it’s going to be a while, 6 releases over 2 years, with the first 8 months out. Barring a reissue we’re probably done til January MPwise,leaks aside.

 

I hope so given the price.

 

I can imagine Takara releasing them all within 1 year, but I'll wait till they actually release more in the line make a better judgement.
It'll give me an idea how to budget for Devastator  

 

They will release over 2 years. One every 4 months starting in June.

June 2022, October, February, June 2023, October, February 2024.

 

Thanks. Would you mind linking where they announced the schedule?

 

Sorry I don’t know. But people that I trust in this thread said so. Go to the first post in this thread. There’s a link to TakaraTomy.co.jp. You’ll need to translate the page if you can’t read Japanese.

 

I hope they find a way to shove in another combiner during this time, then

Ok, i found the message, but he say that there was a tweet not confirmed, and half of that tweet is already false (10000 MSRP).

 

Thank you. I can read and speak Japanese.
The Takara site does not mention any schedule, besides Shouki's release date, at least not on the MPG product page.
The twitter post mentioned on the first page only refers to them being released individually, with no definite decision.
The following quoted tweet reads that there is mention of it in the Generations 2021 book, but no source to an article or scan to confirm.
(The tweet mentions a 10000(yen?) MSRP, with two versions released simultaneously. So far this looks doubtful.)
I looked at available translations from the book, but they do not mention this either.
If someone has a scanned page with that article I'd like to look at it.
To be clear, I'm just interested in what Takara-Tomy actually announced.