Animated Grimlock toy pic! (Updated w/ Robot Mode Pic - See First Post)

Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by Acid Wing, Mar 10, 2008.

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  1. nkelsch

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    I have Energon grimmy too. I think he could have been a better figure if they didn't try to make him merge into that horrible dual mode.

    He is *OK* But if you look at the 3 robotic dinosaur grimlocks we have had since G1, he is the weakest of Animated, Energon and Classics. I can see why people may like classics grim over this and I can see why people like this over classics grim.

    But I cannot reconcile how this figure is worse than Energon grim or *horrible* even if you dislike the animated athstetic.
     
  2. G1Prowl

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    I can't speak for Johnator, but I can say from my standpoint that the aesthetic is what I dislike the most. I don't care how accurately engineered a figure is compared to the animation, if the animation is swill then the figure is swill as well, in the eyes of the person looking. And in my personal opinion, the artstyle on Animated is swill. And to touch on the engineering issues, sure they're great, but given the source material for aesthetic, I have a simple equation...

    5 Gallons Ice Cream + 5 Gallons Feces = 10 Gallons Feces
     
  3. 1987olds442

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    By adding more mechanical looking detail (sculpt more detail), changing both the Dino and Robot heads (maybe Alt Grim's Robot head and energon Grim's Dino head), and finally color (paint him in more G1 accurate colors).
     
  4. nkelsch

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    There is a difference between not liking something and it actually being something with no value to anyone. If you can't be objective and claim extreme positions like this no one will take you seriously or respect your opinion.

    If you don't like Animated, it doesn't make it shit... it makes it something that doesn't appeal to you that other people do.

    In your example:

    5 Gallons Ice Cream + 5 butterscotch = Butterscotch sundae

    If you like ice cream but dislike butterscotch then the sundae is not appealing to you... It doesn't make it garbage or trash. Your statements are trying to infer people who like it are chowing down on a shit sundae when they are not.
     
  5. Johnator

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    Honestly (and thank you for asking politely) it is because of the animated look to him. I was hoping for something different since I think that Lugnut, Grimlock, and Megatron tend to look the most "robotic" if you will of the Animated toys. The rest of them just don't sit well in the style. I totally agree with people who think they are accurate but I had my hopes set on something more "Transformer" looking for at least a few of them so I would buy them. The way these are now not planning on it.
     
  6. Johnator

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    You said it well though G1Prowl. I also do not care for the aesthetic which is what kills it for me. I think (my opinion) that a lot of people are trying to convince themselves that they like these but deep down know they aren't cool looking toys (I am one of these). I know some people love the style of this but it is not for me and no matter how hard I WANT to like the style they just don't look "cool". I am glad that I didn't see these when I was a kid because honestly I don't think I would be a Transformer fan today. I want to see cool looking robots duking it out not what these look like. Again to TFA fans I am glad you like it but there are a lot of us who also don't so please don't post "OMG AMNATED RULZ I MAD AT U!@!! LOL!!" type threads because it doesn't prove a point at all. You disagree fine but respect others' opinions as well.
     
  7. Lord Chumley

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    The figures are well better than the 80's versions. I know they are over 20 years old but they are better figures. I want them as an adult never mind when i was a kid. They look cool. I like Grimlock and all the animated line, all good articulation. A few grubles from me. 1 bulkhead should have bigger legs. 2 there should be no dink in the top of the trailer thing. He should also have proper hands and be bigger. Some of those issues still not changed evern on the leader class. Lugnut the same no hands and size not right. aybe with a leader class but who knows. Prime no acurate fire trailer where is it. Bunblebee too big and wrong transformation. Prowl too big. Why can they not make a motobike smaller than a car why. Groove was of sorts but a terrible toy. I want size acurate toys, a unicron maybe not but the rest yes. Thease are better than the 80's so im happy.
     
  8. nkelsch

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    But we have been from Blockformers to Ball-joint Formers to Morphformers to Shellformers to Bayformers... And now we have another type of TF athstetic so I am not sure what makes G1 grimlock, RID Prowl, BM Rat trap or BW Rhinox more 'transformer looking' than any of the animated series.

    I get the not liking the Animated style but it looks very much like a transformer... Considering the wiiiiiide shift of figure design and show design that we have seen over the years, a lot of it rings hollow and reminds me of 1996 and every new series since then and just is another footnote of RUINED FOREVER...
     
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    I’ve never understood this “looks more like Transformers” bit. What should a Transformers look like? We have over 20 years and many different lines of Transformers. Does G1 have the “look”? Or is it Beast Wars? Maybe RID? Energon? 2007 Movie? I respect the opinions of those who don’t like TFA but saying it doesn’t “look like a Transformer” just doesn’t make any sense. If it “transforms” from one thing to another then it qualifies as a Transformers doesn’t it? Now I obviously know that not all things that transform are transformers but if it transforms then it at least qualifies to be of the Transformers brand especially if Takara/Hasbro brands it as such.
     
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    When I was younger, I slapped Autobot or Decepticon symbols to any TFing robot I had .... even GoBots. :D 

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    This is a subjective question but here is my answer for ME (not anyone else) "It should look like a ROBOT". TFA Toys do not in my opinion look like robots but rather superhero guys in robot suits which is fine if that is another brand or line but (again for ME) they should look like robots and these do not.
     
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    If I could only find that "BACK TO TOPIC" smiley right now...
     
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    I could see that, but then I love Energon Grimmy, and know for a fact that everyone who doesn't is delusional. ;) 

    (just my opinion, even if it is worded in the Noisemaze school of logic.)
     
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    If I was to show a picture of ANY of the Animated bots to my family and friends, not one of them would think they don't look like robots.

    SCPrime said it best. We have had over 20 years of transformers, and the look has never stayed constant. What is it that you want? G1? Beast Wars? RID? Energon? None of them look anything like each other, so what is the "look" you think they should have?

    Also keep in mind that hasbro designs these TOYS for children. I doubt that little Johhny will pass on Animated toys because they don't look enough like robots. The day kids stop being interested in TFs, is the day Hasbro stops making them. We, as collectors, are a fraction of the market.
     
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    I think I understand what you are trying to say now. But I think that if you are going to say that they don't look like robots because of the superhero proportions then one can say that superheroes don't look like humans. Humans don't have giant shoulders/arms and tiny legs. But I don't think anyone would disagree that human superheroes with the disproportioned bodies aren't human or humanoid looking. In the show, you can easily tell the difference between the human characters and transformers. I understand it's not your style but to say it doesn't look like transformers or even robots is being narrow in the definition of how robots should be drawn or look like.
     
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    For crying out loud, he just wants them to look like machines, why is that so hard to understand.
    The guy tried to explain why he didn't like the style in an honest, well worded and most importantly polite manner and all he gets is people trying to tell him that he's wrong.

    I love animated, I'm loving all of it so far but it is perfectly clear to me why some people don't and I don't feel there's a need to correct their opinions.
     
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    While I've grown to love the Animated aesthetic, I nevertheless completely know what Johnator means by "looking like a Transformer". Even the people trying to make the weak "so what does a TF look like?" arguement know exactly what he means. Hell, when I said "I'm glad to see Transformers that actually look like Transformers again" in response to the new Universe figures, everyone certainly knew what I meant and didn't proceed to split hairs about it. Why? Because it was in positive context to a thread about something everyone liked. But because someone like Johnator says it *against* the Animated style, it's a controversy. Typical biased fanwankery working overtime again. Let the guy have an opinion. It's far less confrontational or arguementative that what other naysayers have posted.
     
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    its interesting but takaras other toylines (is animated linked to takara also??) that were linked to those that became Tf's (ie microman and diaclone- and including those two) often had side branches incorporating more organic and 'goofy' looking characters rather like what we are seeing here with animated. eg microman uniquers, geeg toys, deathcross, baratak?? goman?? toys. the core lines had the 'tf' look, ie mechanoid with chiselled faces but all manner of bright/organic creations could be found and for the better!!
     
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    Very true. And like I used to say when this "Transformers' look" debate was raging on before the movie: TFs like Whirl, Shockwave, Sky Lynx and others from 1984-86 are "Transformers", even though they don't have the Diaclone/Microchange aesthetic. A varied aesthetic is nothing new to TFs.

    I agree with Incepticon: let Johnator have his opinion. But everyone here should also realise that the opinion here is "I dislike TFA's aesthetic because to me they don't look like TFs" (what Johnator said), not "they don't look like TFs" 'cause that's an easily debunked theory.

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    Thats it exactly. Thats why there still making the Classics/Universe line as well. I love the C/U figures just as much as Animated but for different reasons. I dont hold it against anyone if they have a different preference. They're all TFs. All people dont look the same either.
     
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