We're about halfway through season one of She-Ra. Episodes about taxes and freedom seem to be getting fewer and less ham-fisted in favor of themes closer to the previous series. I guess they realized that direction wasn't working out, even if it made sense for the setting. Between that and the VERY frequent crossover episodes, it's starting to feel more like a natural extension of its predecessor. Still seems like they're struggling a bit to know what to do with it though... "Troll's Dream" - Entire episode is an obvious metaphor about racial prejudice. Moral at the end: "Get enough sleep!"
My apologies if it's already been mentioned, but has the release date been announced for the second set of episodes? For some reason I thought they were coming out the same day as the new CGI series.
No official release date announced yet. Netflix and Mattel are likely pacing the release of content to maximize viewership. Part 2 of Revelation is likely not debuting until late 2021 or early 2022.
So Orko's VA is a collector. He went and tracked down the Horsemen at PowerCon for a picture and told a story about attending the 200x launch so that he could get the Horsemen to sign something for him.
Well that’s what I am saying pretty obvious to fans. But considering there are more than a few...I’ll call them “people” that think Teela is replacing He-Man and marrying Andra in some sort of conspiracy to undermine their childhood instead of just running along with the most obvious storylines from the Filmation show. So yes not surprising but nevertheless that was the first official confirmation of where this was obviously going.
I finished She-Ra and the Christmas Special last week. On the New Adventures now. I gotta say my favorite ep was My Friend, My Enemy. I think that's like Ep 50 or 51. That ending was pretty impactful.
The Randor outrage seems really wierd for several reasons. I'm not hardcore into He-Man, but I've never seen a series that really shows off a ton of strong characterization, and personality for Randor. Yes, he deals with a similar scenario differently in some rando comic, doesn't mean he has to be the same here. We have not seen how his plotline resolves. For all we know the next time he sees Man at Arms, he apologizes for his rash actions made it grief and rage, says he has been trying to get word to him to return to the castle etc. If when they meet next Randor tries to have him killed, then that's different. I really enjoyed Revelations so far. Wish we could get a TF cartoon half as good. Voice acting was solid compared to lots of Netflix animated stuff. I do wish Skulmegeddon had done Skeletors voice instead of Hamil though. Was pretty nice to look out with well done action. Story wise I don't really hae any complaints currently, but will have to see how it all wraps up to be sure. Honestly put He-Man on the side line for the middle portion is a good play. When you have Heman/Superman style character it's tricky. They can fairly easily solve the conflict without much tension (original Masters) which can be fun, I loe that it seems like so many of the original episodes are the bad guys doing there best to do some evil, and it ends up being just a minor inconvenience for He-Man. You can do the "a ha your one weakness" /krytonite story. Or you can take them off the board for awhile. This is what they have done, and it gives a lot potential for character development. We get to see Adam sacrifice to save them the first time, give up paradise to help them the second time, and likely to risk everything by continuing to fight Skeletor without his powers. I think his arc is going to be everyone else finally realising that Adam IS He-Man, and he is a hero, bot because of his power, but because of who he is. We get a few scene throughout of He-Man being awesome, but by saving him up for closer to the climax we can get a more satisfying display of his power. Would caps moment in End Game have been as impactfull if we had seen him fight like this in his first movie, and if he had already use the "Avengers Assemble" line in the first movie?
Regarding Randor and his portrayal in Revelation, I think if we are honest, it wasn't an earned character moment when he had his meltdown. There's a significant amount of rationalizing that has to be employed in order to "forgive" the writers for having him behave the way that he does in that scene where he banishes Duncan. Similar to Teela's portrayal, and I say this as someone who enjoys Revelation, there's a lot in the first five episodes that feel narratively flimsy. It relies so much upon Filmation canon and yet it contradicts Filmation canon in some ways. This is despite being a technical "non sequel". The writers can't have it both ways and expect no push back. I think a lot of the criticism leveled towards Revelation is simplistic and hyperbolic but a lot of it is also well founded, if not well thought out and communicated. I agree with most criticism towards Revelation, actually. I keep having the feeling that the first five episodes of Revelation was poorly executed as far as pacing and part of that is being so reliant upon Filmation MotU's continuity. There are moments of competence in the first five episodes that leads me to believe that the writers are far better than what some of their creative choices demonstrate. I don't know if it's due to executive decision making that led to what Revelation part 1 ultimately resulted in but it just ends up being a bit of a mixed bag for me. Some great stuff tangled up with some poor stuff in my view after multiple watchings of part 1.
I don’t know, he just found out his son was dead, He-Man was dead, and that his son was also He-Man, and that his most trusted member of the court was lying to him. I feel like his blind outrage made sense. Lies and death can make otherwise level headed people snap - often worse than Randor did.
Snap...and never recant? Eternos and Eternia was in shambles. The literal singular champion of the entire world was killed. Magic, a vital resource, was lost. Randor never reached out to Duncan in the years following to reconcile? To ask questions? Heck, with the logic of Randor's meltdown being sensible for someone in his situation, so could him having homicidal rage over Marlena not divulging that knowledge and physically assaulting her. Logically, Randor has been groomed to be the latest in a line of enlightened rulers of Eternia. He was able to hold together the pre eminent nation on Eternia for decades up to this point. There's a certain level of mental and emotional fortitude that successful people in positions of authority and power tend to cultivate. Yes, losing his son is tragic and traumatic but let's be honest, the writing of Randor's behavior was not based on making things make sense, it was a lazy writer's way of provoking emotional response in the viewers. My point is that most works of fiction, like Revelation, are not reality simulators. Yes, character behavior should tend to be believable but there's also the necessity to create a lead up, to make high points of dramatic scenes feel earned in order to make sense within the context of the story. Randor in Revelation is based on Filmation Randor. Pretty much every Revelation character is largely derived from Filmation MotU. Without any narrative establishment of Revelation Randor being unstable enough to have his meltdown in the way he did, people are going to refer to Filmation Randor for a baseline of behavior and personality. So, it's not that Revelation Randor's portrayal is outright unbelievable, it's that people have to say "Well, in real life, in such a situation, it's a normal way to react." in order to justify Randor's behavior. The problem is that it's just as believable for people to not flip out, scream at a trusted friend/ally/advisor, and banish them, blaming them wholesale for the death of their son who was said to have asked for secrecy in the first place. With all due respect, saying Revelation Randor can snap because essentially anyone can under the right circumstances isn't a strong response to people who criticize the writing of the character's behavior. I like plenty of things in Revelation but Randor's behavior is not one of them. I don't think it's a major negative point of part 1 but it's one among a fair amount of criticisms that involve poor writing or lazy writing.
Oh and just to clarify, I don't think a calm and collected response from Randor is appropriate either. I simply think his reaction was out of left field, as expressed by a fair amount of people.
This is what goes through my head in conversations about changes in characterization between Beast Wars and Beast Machines. Yeah, you can justify the shifts everyone goes through. The trouble is that you have to.
I mean, I don’t LIKE how he reacted either, but I feel like that’s the point. People are capable of reacting strongly, and badly to trauma - and they usually do. And that’s where redemption and forgiveness come in - things that I find interesting and look forward to being explored in the next set of episodes. One thing I love about Revelation is just how humanized some of my favorite silly two-dimensional cartoon characters. I’m not really trying to argue anything, just attempting to illustrate my view. Seeing as how the majority here seems to genuinely be rubbed the wrong way by this show I’ll just keep quiet now.
You're not wrong at all and I hope we see a follow-up with Randor and Duncan in part 2. It would be a shame if there was no arc for the two characters beyond what happened between them in part 1. Please don't do a hesitate to take part sincere attempts at discussion in this thread by perceiving my disagreement as being rubbed the wrong way by Revelation.
I can’t say I enjoyed Randor’s reaction in Revelation but as a number of people have said it’s a reasonable “human” response. My issue with both Randor and Teela’s response is they are “human” responses but the way Smith wrote it comes off in a very contrived way. It’s as though Smith was so enamored with the plot-device of “revelation” that he forced a lot of the reactions rather then let them unfold in a more natural way and more consistently with how we understand these characters to behave...All that being said I still think the story is pretty good and some of the weaker storytelling is balanced with cool ideas and fun action. I think we all know this is going to be resolved anyway. My main issue with Teela is the real revelation for her. She can’t possibly get to her “final form” without understanding the motivations of her friends and family, and stop being furious. Regarding Randor I completely reserve judgement because I simply don’t know. Maybe he’s been trying to find Duncan, maybe he’s overwhelmed with problems, maybe he’s gone into seclusion. But I bet it never really gets any solid writing and Randor and Duncan just sort of find themselves fighting side-by-side on the battlefield and there is some tacit acknowledgement they are friends again and always have been.
