It's a small character (compare it to the cars next to it). Also it doesn't mean it's dead, if you look closely it's made out of metal and has hook points for a crane. Meaning they built this dummy to throw it from high above on those cars. Judging they are already crushed, I guess they already filmed that sequence.

 

good idea lol, that should happen

 

I see Bluestreak as well, lol

 

Judging by the size of the dummy, probably it's for a Maximal or Predacon.

 

Looks like someone was just fucking blown to the ground. Wonder who this could be and if they're dead.

 

I don’t watch movies but am going to make an exception for ROTBs. Now I regret my decision

 

RIP Blue guy, we hardly knew ye. The movie's still in filming and we already have a fatality. :C

With this you're basically just telling me "I have nothing to refute your statements but reading them still triggers me so I'm going to respond anyways."

Project harder.

Good thing no one's making that argument then, ay? Your 'opponent' appears to be made of straw.

 

That's not the argument.

The argument is that because the Porsche already looks so much like Jazz, not only in being a Porsche but also the blue stripe down the middle and the large wing spoiler, that it would have been easier to just use the car as Jazz instead of trying to pass it off as literally anybody else. When you have something that looks so perfect for one thing...why the hell go to so much extra effort to use it for something else?

If the Porsche was, say, a completely different color like black, nobody would be saying it should have been Jazz.

 

This argument sure is easy to take apart when you take away all the nuance and just misrepresent the people you wanna dunk on while quoting no one directly.  

 

Wasn't even attempting to build a strawman in the first place, but you crack right on with being snarky for no reason, ay?

The point I was trying to make is that the movies have never attempted to line up anything with any prior form of TF media, so it wouldn't matter if Mirage/Jazz/Dave/whoever the hell it ends being up being is a Porsche, a Mazda, a shopping trolley or what. And just because this particular alt mode bears a resemblance to G1 Jazz, previous nameslaps have proved time and time again that doesn't amount to a hill of jacksquat where THIS character is concerned.

But movie threads + this fandom = pfft, whatever.

 

Strange that Mirage transforms into a Porsche. I would\'ve thought they\'d assigned it to Jazz.

 

Could also possibly be Arcee or another smaller bot

 

Then why is Prime a red cab over truck that largely looks identical to the one from, y'know, G1, right down to the trailer from the end of Bumblebee having the white "Swoosh" stripe on the sides?

 

Because the Bumblebee movie already got that particular ball rolling, and Prime is the most recognisable character to the mainstream crowd from, y'know, Transformers.

 

This isn't how making a movie works. They don't pick the cars, and then assign a character to it based on who it looks most like. The prop department and/or director chooses the cars based on what's in the preexisting script. They can't just alter the script to accommodate a totally different character.

You can definitely argue that the prop department made a choice in poor taste and should have picked a different altmode for Mirage, but this whole "why didn't they just make it Jazz" thing makes zero sense. They can't just snap their fingers and "make it Jazz".

 

Cause his design from the previous film was that design, and just because they're basing the design off a previous one doesn't mean they're trying to line up with previous media. It just means they're using those designs as a base. Some media do it more closely than others.
Even other "G1 continuities" took liberties. Like Soundwave turning into an armoured truck, or Galvatron as a tank.


Bumblebee and Scourge won't look like exactly G1, Arcee will have a resemblance but turns into a Motorcycle so there are going to be changes. This is the new creators universe and they'll design the bots how they like. Now we just wait and see how Mirage actually looks like since we still have no idea since he wasn't shown like Scourge and Prime were. Maybe he looks like his G1 counterpart but with Porsche parts instead of F1 parts, maybe he mainly has a G1 head like Scourge does with a new body, which I think is the best way to go about giving a character a new design. We just don't know so how about we wait and see.

 

So you're admitting that sticking to G1 is something the films should be doing now because of Bumblebee?

Then pick. Another. Fucking. Car. Go look up how they did this literally twice with Drift in both movies he was in.

Yes, they can. Use a different car and rewrite the damn script. They're pouring hundreds of millions into this film, the idea that a single goddamn car can't be changed for another is absolutely absurd. Especially since, as I pointed out, they did this twice for Drift, which involved a 1.2 Billion dollar car. The Porsche is well below that price threshold.

False Equivalence. You really think anybody expected Soundwave to always remain a tape deck? It's the spirit of the thing - armored car? It's a BIG FUCKING BOX. It's the same as the tape player in spirit and that's what matters.

This is not the case here. If anybody involved in this production actually knew the franchise as well as they seem to be trying to promote, they would know how dumb it is to not use that car as Jazz if they had ANY interest in bringing him in at any point.

It just makes no sense how that Porsche wasn't used for Jazz, especially from Hasbro's standpoint since Jazz is the most popular character who uses that make of vehicle (even if it isn't the exact same model which literally nobody gives a shit about, it's still a Porsche with a big ass stripe down the middle and a wing spoiler, that's all anybody wants). Not to mention this likely has at stake the Porsche license which is the only thing preventing Masterpiece Jazz from existing.

Yes, this is a small thing...but details are where it counts. How hard would it have been to have passed a message along to the prop department to choose a different car? Even the twitter mocked Jazz fans because this car wasn't Jazz, so they damn well know and they damn well don't seem to care. And that's a red flag for anybody expecting things to not be the same as more bayverse crap in the wake of TLK.

 

I know some people are still pissed about Mirage, but let\'s think about it. First, this isn\'t G1. I love G1 as much as the next guy, but this isn\'t supposed to be G1, obviously. Also, they\'re supposed to be \"robots in disguise\". Turning into a literal race car and cruising down the road like it\'s another Tuesday isn\'t exactly \"disguised\". Could they have chosen a different car? Probably. Why didn\'t they? I don\'t know. If Jazz is introduced in a future movie (and if Mirage isn\'t dead) they could do a duo like Sideswipe and Sunstreaker. It really just comes down to paint. If they had gone blue car with a white stripe, they probably wouldn\'t have as many people complaining.

 

*sigh*

No, I'm stating the simple fact that Bumblebee had Prime in a G1 style, and this is apparently a follow-up, but please, keep trying to put words in my mouth. Or better still, don't.

 

You keep moving the goalposts. Your other post wasn't saying they should have swapped the car, you were saying it would have "been easier to use the car as Jazz". Which just makes no sense.

Yeah, it's fine to think they should have swapped the car. If that's your argument, I have no problem with it (I don't agree...I think it's a fine Mirage...but you can definitely feel like a different car would have been better). I just take problem with the idea that this "should have been Jazz". It just dosen't work that way.