TF: RotB Mirage Close-up Pics

Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by jru42287, Aug 2, 2021.

  1. IDWDrift

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    I gotta be honest, I expected better from people. This is Mirage, get over it. In the last twenty years, Jazz hasn\'t been a Porsche once. I for one love this new look, and I\'m glad that it\'s something new for Mirage. 
     
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    They were drawn to resemble certain vehicles without being the actual vehicles to avoid licensing fees.
    The resemblances were close enough where you could tell:
    Sunny and Sides-Lambos
    Prowl, Smokey, Blue- Nissan Fairlady
    Mirage- F1
    Jazz- Porsche
    Ratchet and Ironhide- Vanette

    For MANY fans:Jazz was, is and always will be a Porsche.
    "Get over it" :cool: :ev: 
     
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    News flash: If you came out of under your rock you would see he hasn't been a porsche in 80 years, Times have changed since the 80's and I don't think that Jazz should be the only one allowed to be a Porsche
     
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    Dumb.

    Now, if this somehow turns into a very G1 Mirage robot mode, that will at least mitigate some of the problem here. But we all know that won't be happening. And that's the problem. Name only, why should we care? Might as well watch any robot movie. But they know better than what we liked about Mirage, they will give us the Mirage the way he should have been instead of the one that helped lead to 40 years of popularity. Because Paramount has done so well at telling us how everything should have been.
     
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    They finally make an Autobot a Porsche in one these movies, one which is specifically a rebootquel, that either takes place before the first live action movie or is a new timeline altogether, and they don't make it Jazz!?

    YOU HAD ONE JOB!
     
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    He was a Solstice in the Bayverse, but then that was a GM product and a hell of alot cheaper than trying to attain a license for a Porsche ;) 
    You may not like it, but fact of the matter is many fans see a Porsche and associate it with Jazz. That's not dissing other characters like CJ, Dead End,etc.
    If you're looking for apologies for that, you won't find it here my friend.
    :tumbleweed: ;) 
     
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    The vehicle mode looks so slick - can't wait to see Mirage in robot mode.
     
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    Jazz. Just call him Jazz.
     
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    True! Good thing Prime isn't a cabover and Bee isn't a Bug anymore in recent movies!
     
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    But they fixed their mistake and made bee a Camaro again, as for prime I really don't give two rats flaying buttocks what he is as he's soo overrated
     
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    Because Jazz was already used in the Bayverse. Same reason it was Blitzwing in the Bee Movie when we all assumed Starscream.
     
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    My question is: does it matter than many fans see a Porsche and associate it with Jazz? Do modern storytellers need to be beholden to that? What fans associate with what isn't the end-all-be-all of storytelling or visual design, and I don't know that storytellers need to be beholden to fan expectations. At least fan expectations based on unimportant things that are mostly grounded in nostalgia. Fan expectations are arbitrary. Like, Cars fans will see a Porsche and associate it with Sally. Does this logic only apply to Transformers, or should be apply it to fiction in general? Maybe Sally shouldn't be a Porsche because Jazz already has it claimed. That's just as valid of an argument as what's happening here. It's all just so arbitrary, and dependent on your individual life experiences.

    For decades most Star Wars fans associated Mandalorian armor exclusively with Boba Fett. If George Lucas and Lucasfilm were afraid of betraying that, we never would have gotten characters like Jango Fett, Bo Katan, or Din Djarin. The Mandalorian culture wouldn't even exist in fiction, considering it all came from Boba's armor (not in-universe, but in terms of the real-world storytelling).

    Heck, if the G1 storytellers played by the "rules" that a lot of fans are asking these filmmakers to play by, we never would have gotten characters like Cliffjumper and Dead End. I mean, even in the '80s I'm guessing a lot of kids associated the Porsche with Jazz. If it was okay to defy expectations back then, why is it such a crime now?
     
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    Dear G1lovers.

    This is a movieverse.

    In movieverse, Jazz is a Pontiac Solstice.

    Also, Mirage have been others altmodes in other continuities, so, he can be whatever he wants.

     
     
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    Jazz was a Solstice in Bayverse.
    This is not Bayverse.

    Yes, iconic characters, should be recognizeable. By all means, give them modern day versions of their equally iconic alt modes. Even Jazz's Solstice evoked a little Porsche familiarity for some.

    You guys can attack and belittle me all you want. I'll just keep on respectfully disagreeing. :cool: :popcorn 
     
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    Didnt think a Porsche was Mirage\'s style. Looking flashy while turning invisible? Ok

    A faster car could go ghost easier when losing people.
     
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    Blue Bluestreak looking sharp
     
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    Good news for a G1 MP Jazz
     
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    not how that works
     
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    No one cares about the movie verse that much imo.
    I see movie verse toys shelf warm to kingdom come but g1 and beastwars stuff is bought up insanely fast. No one is dying to have mpm jazz, but wow is there a lot of demand for g1 porscher Jazz, and the more g1, the more demand (ex generation toy vs maketoys or fanstoys)
    So, you guys can say this and that, and like whatever you want, but it's pretty clear, at least to me and my own first hand evidence, that people care way more about g1 stuff than movie verse. That in and of itself should tell you that you shouldn't be surprised when people see this and wonder why it's Mirage. Instead of calling them fossils and troglodytes and man children, why don't you be the mature ones and just let people speak their minds.
    I don't even care that much about this movie, but it's pretty lame to see people name calling fellow fans for being passionate about what they wished their iconic characters looked like in a live action movie. You already said its not like they're going to change anything this late, so chill out.

    To me, Jazz is a funky, stylish character. Sounds like what a Porsche embodies when thinking of car culture in the 80s.
    Mirage is super fast alien looking non street legal car, seems to fit his ability to do what seems supernatural in his cloaking ability and, someone else said, ghosting people and being a loner, haha.
    I dunno, the cars own personalities and styles fit what G1 made the actual characters, so it already worked to begin with. Seems silly to make a character who looks so much like Jazz not Jazz but whatever, this is what live action movies seemingly love to do so I don't even care anymore, I'll decide in my own head what's canon or not.
     
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