Yeah, MP Star Saber is already slightly too small as it is. Victory Saber should be coming up to like...mid chest height on Devastator when combined.
They'd probably get crucified if they based him too much on Jetfire ala Gen Selects and then still tried to crowdfund it, especially since Victory Leo would need to be done from scratch anyways. But I see what you mean. Jetfire's hand thing is kind of cool and makes for a nice quality budget compromise as opposed to fully posable hands. They'd be making this one with the previous knowledge of what worked for Jetfire and could easily borrow some ideas. Like how Siege Voyager Optimus and Studio Series 38 both rely on the back of the forearms to hold some extra plating, and some complex folded parts on the inner lower legs to fill out parts of the truck mode. Both have much of their cab fold flatly into the robot back. Etc. Very different molds and figures but clearly made around the same time by similar teams. They certainly love touting points of articulation on their crowdfund pages so I imagine it'll cover the basics. I think it'd be really cool if he comes with a stand of some kind to complement an elaborate flight mode. He already looks like a Gundam, might as well take it all the way and let us put him in flying poses on the shelf. With that wishlist item I would want some good leg articulation to get a flight pose, and enough of a movable head to look down the sights of a weapon at a dramatic angle.
Exactly. And I'm not super familiar with Victory so I'm sure fans could offer figures/accessories that you wouldn't normally expect but could be tossed in. Heck, the very first tier being something as simple as a strudy flight stand and the figure having support for it would be a great bonus. Actually, now that I think about it...depending on what kinds of costs come with articulation, one of the tiers could be improving the Brainmaster so that he's more articulated than the Prime Wars "-masters" we're used to. It would be nice if, regardless of the final figure's hands, he is able to hold 5mm weapons. I don't need random mount points everywhere...but it'd be nice if he had that flip out 5mm port to hold stuff that isn't his stock gun. Especially since he'll have a sword, and I would really really like if he can *hold* his sword instead of just pegging it or through a 5mm hole.
I fully expect the base figure to be Star Saber with their brainmaster/headmaster, with stretch goals possibly being a Victory Leo to combine with and a Jan mini-figure. I'd be really surprised if additional stretch goals were characters like Deathsaurus, or the other Brainmasters. I don't expect the main figure to be much bigger than the Titan Devastator; in fact the perfect size (for me) for a combined Victory Saber would be roughly CW Combiner-sized, to pair with a hypothetically similar-sized Leokaiser.
...yeah anybody expecting or even hoping for something like this are beyond reality. This is a HasLab project for a single figure (with Victory Saber being the stretch). We're not funding an entire revival of the Victory line. That said, if this project does well enough I wouldn't count out future Victory projects. HasLab or otherwise.
If there are addition figures outside of V-Leo, I'm not expecting more than Jan, Holi, or the rest of the Rescue Team. Or Patty if we're going for the real deep cuts. It'd be nice if they could do Holi as a Micromaster that isn't horribly compromised in just about every way.
Standard reminder that CW Devastator is TOO BIG. It's not that anything else compared to it is too small.
Standard reminder that it's the Constructicons that are too big, and that Devastator himself is the appropriate size.
That's wrong. Devastator is the same scale as most WFCT figures(excluding Beast Wars characters and Headmaster heads). The ones out-of-scale are the "standard" Combiner Wars combiners.
Standard reminder that scale discussions are played out because even the "scale and screen accurate" WfC line has to cheat a bit with the Titans and Commanders (and BW cast).
I'm not going to get into an argument that's based in the impossibility of toys to match cartoon physics. Devastator should be the size of other combiners. Not larger.
I don’t think you’re contradicting each other. Devastator looks fine in WFC. It’s just the individual Constructicons that are too big.
Most Titans and Commanders are in-scale. And even considering the ones not in-scale, that doesn't downplay the ones that are in-scale, nor does it invalidate clarifying said scale. I was actually talking to @G.B. Blackrock.
I literally just dealt with this in my collection. The first picture should be UW Constructicons. The second picture are shrunken KO Constructicons.
Ok I sold something and now I’ve got an extra $250 set aside for the theoretical Victory Saber. I might even consider getting two just in case..
Combiners Teams will never properly be in scale because all of the classic combiners (Except King Poseidon) are shown to be significantly larger than the sum of their parts. Devastator is the correct size. The Constructions are not. The scramble city style combiners are all too small, but their individual team members are not. Yes, it is physically impossible to have a toy that does both. No, that does not make Devastator and Predaking "Too Big". Those two characters are the appropriate size, while the individual robots making them up are over sized. Hasbro has to make a choice between which aspect is going to be the focus, and for those two they picked the larger combined robot. It's not that complicated to understand. Edit: I do want to point out that whether you care about individual robot scale or not doesn't matter because it's not relevant to the discussion that was happening. It's important to note that Devastator is the correct height because we were using him as a comparison point to judge the potential height of HasLab Star Saber, based on how tall the two of them are relative to each other using things like the cartoon as reference.
Aye. Ideally, they should be right in the middle. Maybe Ironhide-size or a smidge taller. We just need 2 sets of each then, right? One scaled in combined mode, another scaled in component robot mode.
And a third set of vehicle modes for those to scale properly too, then at that point why bother with transformation and just buy non-transforming to scale action figures that are completely accurate! Sometimes we need to let things go. Completely G1 accurate combiner scaling is one of them.