1) No one's claimed it is. Most of us that liked it even acknowledged it has flaws. Randor's character being a big one that keeps coming up. 2) The guy you quoted isn't a fan of Revelation either iirc.
Agreed. The foreshadowing in Revelation is fairly obvious (Skeletor transforming the end of the Havoc Staff into a spear, for example) and there's also several instances of cyclical callbacks like the use of the hover discs and "I go if you go.". No one, not even the staunchest supporter of Revelation has said it is perfect. It's obvious that some posters have come into the thread over the past several weeks to incite turmoil. Some seem to have been banned or at least scared off by mod communication.
Guess we are not using spoiler tags anymore? Okay in that case, I agree with you, He-Man’s sacrifice was handled well. It was Teela’s reaction to it later that episode, and then in episode 5 that was atrociously handled. Adam died, sacrificed himself to save ALL creation because there was no other way. Teela’s reaction: “Sure, you saved everyone and died, but did you consider how your decision affects ME? And also you lied to me about your secret identity so I am mad.” Literally, she says pretty much this. It’s like if after Optimus Prime destroys Unicron and lies dying in a mangled state in “Still Life”, Prowl’s first reaction was to be angry at him for leaving him behind to sort out the fallout, and not grief and sympathy for his suffering.
No need to apologize but it's appreciated. People can always get off on the wrong foot and it's sometimes difficult to navigate impassioned discussion on a forum through text based communication. As long as people are willing to engage in discussion with respect, this thread should be okay. We all just need to remember to stay on topic and be aware of the rules we agreed to when signing up for user accounts.
Well, even the original series wasn't perfect, either (200x, on the other hand, was an awesome update, too bad they ended it before the story was properly finished. Maybe one day). It's one reason I'd like them to do some earlier stories with Revelation type animation. Maybe even an origin story. Or a multiverse crossover.
He-Man's death in episode 1 was revealed pages ago, if that's what you're referring to regarding spoiler tag usage. I totally agree, the portrayal of Teela in the aftermath of magic Grayskull's fall was undoubtedly executed in a less than ideal fashion. I mentioned this previously but I think it was too drawn out and by the time she sees Adam again, it's difficult to empathize and sympathize with her. She has zero empathy for Adam and yet expects him to understand where she's coming from. There are times in part 1 where the writing was a hammer instead of a scalpel. I'm not saying Kevin Smith is a great writer but I expect more from him and a team of writers who made some good writing choices in other areas of Revelation such as He-Man's portrayal in episode 1.
Sorry but no. This was to all extents and purposes THE show. Castlevania also had 4-6 episode seasons. We just had one season delivered and He-Man was barely in it. Also dude, “thematical” continuation? Read back a few pages, someone posted his tweets. Kevin said it was a DIRECT continuation, set straight where that show ended. Nobody would be this mad if he said “Our show takes elements from all versions of MOTU”. But he said it was Filmation only. It’s like if De Santo or Bay would say the new TF movie is a direct continuation of Beast Wars and Machines... Why do you basically male excuses for a man who has nothing but insults for the fanbase? Yes there is a duality there. But Teela hates magic and wants nothing to do with it. Even before the time skip, she was a warrior and leader, not a mage. Isn’t obvious? Who is the OTHER female character on a journey to discover her destiny, who is a magic user? To me it is clear the new Sorceress is going to be Evil-Lyn. She will need to realize Skeletor will destroy everything, and turn on him. I mean the Sorceress even trusted her and turned to her before Teela or Duncan, for some unfathomable reason. Meanwhile, whether Adam survives or not, he likely will step down and give the swords to Teela to take his place. Mark my words, this will happen.
I see what he’s saying. It’s easy to just boil it down. They removed he-man from the story so highlight teela. Nothing wrong with that, but the rumors used the term “step aside”. It’s ok to say they did that. he-man stepped aside, Kevin smith knew he would lose views if he admitted it before the reveal. Textbook stuff, nothing to die on the hill over. I think at this point most people wish we could marry the art of revelations with the writing of 200x. That would be the ideal show I think. injecting modern social issues into shows is exactly the norm now. People hating it, people denying it, or people arguing with each other over it, doesn’t change reality. I hope the next season (as in...parts 3 and 4) are able to update the writing and if they choose to put teela and Andra, and even evil lyn at the front, then just hire better writers. look at the strong female leads on the clone wars/mandalorian. Not a single peep out of fans about disliking those shows. Writing is 100% the battle in my opinion.
Yeah, I really liked Ahsoka from the getgo and she is easily the standout character of the show alongside a much needed expansion to Anakin’s motivations. Heck, CW even made Padme interesting with some good political intrugue stories. I’s honestly be surprised if Revelation was planned to be more than 10 episodes. The world has changed, perhaps irrevocably. It is also an expensive show. I feel Mattel did this to rekindle interest in a franchise that sat on the backburner for 18 years. Beyond this, they will focus on the CGI show and the movie, I think.
If Teela's hatred for magic denies her acceptance of being the next Sorceress, it is even more of an acute obstacle for her taking up the Sword of Power and the Power of Grayskull as Adam's replacement. Evil-Lyn isn't an obvious Sorceress. Her motivation is self serving. If she didn't realize Skeletor/god will destroy everything, she's not too bright. He calls himself The Lord of Destruction. As for The Sorceress turning to Evil-Lyn before others, it's not unfathomable. She literally says why. The Sorceress said "I trust our interests are aligned."
I don't see he-man stepping aside in first half of the story. Did you see the rest already or how can you be sure he-man stepped aside? Fans are not reacting rational is all and hhe didn't insult his fans. They sure need to grow up. That's no insult, it's a fact.
FWIW, I've been watching the classic Filmation series with my son before I start on Revelation. We watched maybe five episodes yesterday. Out of that mere handful, two were Teela-centric, and both covered feminist themes. One was a role reversal story where men were being oppressed, and Teela spent most of the episode preaching heavy-handedly about gender equality. The other was trying to teach boys not to be obsessive creepers and to leave women alone if they're not interested. I'm not saying anybody has to like or agree with any particular take on any particular social issue. But to be completely apolitical would actually be very unlike the original show. And it sounds like Revelation is in pretty much the same part of the political spectrum as the classic was.
I think the major issue has nothing to do with the plot of Revelation, or even some of the poorer execution. It’s just entering an environment of super-charged social issues and internet trolls looking to force everything in some social war for their own benefit on YouTube etc. If someone is going to come to the table looking for anger fulfillment they can find it even if it isn’t there. However if you take that lense away and look at it as a story about MOTU characters it’s borderline predictable. When you look at Revelation on it’s face there is nothing about “injecting modern social issues” not any more than there was in the 80’s, diversity was added then and to a larger extent now. You had female leads then you have them now. If you want to put on those glasses and see some agenda no one can stop you. But every single MOTU fan knows the deal with Teela. She is easily one of the most important characters. I don’t see anything about this as He-Man “stepping aside.” His presence literally permeates the entire show, Smith was right the show is about He-Man and his relationship with everyone else in the show. We also haven’t seen the entire story. I do not think he is going to be out of pocket for the rest of the show, Adam has a journey left here. More than likely in true MOTU fashion it’s going to take a team to defeat Skelegod. Fans are getting all worked about a story that exists well within the framework of MOTU and having He-Man temporarily out of commission is just a plot device. The show isn’t over yet and it’s fair to judge the completed work. If at the end of this He-Man is toast and he’s been shoved aside for Teela being He-Ra I’ll come right back and say you were right. But I’ll bet you $100 bucks I am right.
Sorry dude, I didn’t read the link as I didn’t want to be spoilt further. Tbh I just wanted to know how much of He-man was going to be in the series…its a gauge of sorts for me. If he appeared in every episode and was defeated in the final episode, and the series ended in a cliffhanger…I can accept it. So basically KS just override the Mattel chap…darn it… …yeah, that a trend I notice happening…won’t happen in my part of the world though… Oh man…if that happens…I’ll just throw whatever movies I have assorted with KS (dvds, comics).
Let’s just there is a reason MOTU has a very diverse fanbase. The Sorceress’ name is Teela Na, Teela is her daughter, raised by Duncan. She is destined to become the Sorceress of Castle Grayskull. And just so everyone can see how important the Sorceress is they stuck a Sorceress in Preternia. So no one gets surprised by the fact that she isn’t just the Lady of the Lake handing out swords, she’s also a hero.
Just to throw in my two cents, havent seen the show and dont really plan on watching it until the second part releases so i can see it one go. From what im reading it seems to have alot of the same writing issues that plague stuff right now where the female lead is propped up by removing or depowering the male lead. I think this would work better if both male and female leads were on equal footing. This kind of writing is pretty prevalent in some of the Marvel movies like Ant-man and the wasp where Scott is uncharacteristically dumber compared to thenfirst film to make Wasp appear more skilled. Batwoman does the same thing by not even having Batman show up. Star Wars did it with Finn and Rey. Both started out as pretty similar levels of competency but Finn devolved over the course of 8 & 9 to be a bumbling idiot. Im sure there are other examples i could find but i think the point here is pretty clear that they wanted to do this with Teela as well. Which is pretty lazy writing in my opinion. I think it would be far more interesting to watch a show about He-Man where we can have him and Teela share the spotlight. But that takes alot of effort writing wise so i can understand how that can be pretty difficult
I suspect that's where they're going: First they bring Teela up to where she can be He-Man's equal, then they bring him back. "Death and return" is a common component of the Hero's Journey cycle, so this chapter is likely very much a part of his story too.
You do realize you can like the show he made, and still recognize that he lied, right? And your snide comments about language aside, no one read “step aside” and thought that meant he was going to send in a letter of resignation. No one thought they were talking about a 2 week notice. The only options here were him passing the power to someone else or being removed for some other reason. And even if we use your definition of step aside, it still applies. He sacrificed himself to save the world. Sacrifice would imply a volitional act and that act was made in hope that the world would continue. If the world is to continue, he would know that people would still have to protect it and some of those people might take his position, thus he “stepped aside.”
That's the hard part. I was already on the fence about wanting to watch it, but now that Smith acted like a baby to critics, it's tainted it for me completely. It's no different than what happened with the female Ghostbusters movie. Sony tainted the positives by reacting to critics as if they were a child.
