What you said doesn’t make much sense.

 

That is literally the premise of G.I.Joe: Renegades.

 

I’m still optimistic, Lorenzo has been spouting bullshit for over a decade, and regardless of whether you like the past films or not, his idiotic comments never seem to have much impact on what makes it in these movies. So yeah while his terrible interview style has always annoyed me, I’ve never really got the impression he has much creative control.

 

Bumblebee really was a fluke, the dream continues on.

 

Bolding that for those who I know will miss it when they flip out like "ugh wow you don't like change, typical Transformers fan amirite?!" and other such things because I know people around here really struggle with nuance and if something isn't 100% one way or the other they get confused.

He's not saying this so-called 'Mirage' being a Porsche that looks like another recognizable character's alt mode is necessarily an issue, but it could potentially be a red flag indicating they still haven't quite learned what they're doing in regards to characters.

My biggest concern personally is the people at Paramount misunderstanding Bumblebee's success and rather than IMPROVING they just go back to the Bay era formula because they think they can get away with that again.

 

This was my line of argument in regarding why examining the breakdown of financials of Age of Excrement showed how even though it made a billion dollars, it was an extreme risk to assume that another film was going to be anywhere near as successful when considering the sheer amount of promotion and assistance that went on with China.

But Paramount was content in thinking they could shovel slop onto the silver screen endlessly, because they did it with AoE, and they thought China was a lock. That's why TLK made it with a script that was less coherent than ROTF which, while not complete, at least had been written as a single story instead of multiple plotlines forced together.

TLK was predictable as being the catastrophic disaster that it was almost from the day it was announced, knowing the unbalanced mess that is AoE's financials and that all the support with China, what with the agreement to give Paramount a greater portion of every box office ticket sale and the promotion and etc.

I firmly believe that without all the benefits granted to it by way of the Chinese Government (because they control the film industry in China), AoE's true performance would have been far closer to TLK's. It certainly wouldn't have broken that all so special billion dollar box office milestone.

We just don't know enough about ROTB to make a real call right now, unfortunately.

EDIT: Got the name of the film confused.

 

I can make it simpler for you if you need it.
If a group of people make four bad movies and one decent movie, and said decent movie was only allowed to be decent because it was a low risk low budget low scale project that was physically unable to be a gigantic loud and long mess, then it is stupid to assume that we are out of the woods and from now on the movies are going to be "fixed", as they say, two does not make a trend, so much less would one.

Literally everyone involved in the film franchise up to this point is still involved, there was absolutely no reason to assume big changes would be coming, specially when the "evidence for those changes" were nebulous marketing statements made by people who don't even directly work on said films.

 

This is my concern as well. I'm looking forward to ROTB and like what I've seen so far but also feel like this is a massive leap, when maybe they should of kept to a smaller scale.

The Bee/Prime buddy movie seemed like the obvious next step after Bumblebee for me.

 

By that logic every movie in the scale of bumblebee ever released should be good.Look at snake eyes it seems to be bad.

 

Absolutely not? I never said that every small movie is good, only that Bumblebee being a smaller movie is the only reason they left the director alone to do what he wanted instead of the studio shoving their nose deeply into it. There was no budget for another 200 minute lunatic CGI-heavy monstrosity featuring 50 different robots with no personality that we know Paramount loves to do.

Now look at Rise of the Beasts, back to business as usual, a bloated movie that is apparently made out of both the Beast Wars movie script and the Bumblebee sequel concept featuring 5 different factions and, according to Protoman who visited the set, apparently bring Unicron into it. Back to the good ol' AoE and TLK days of Paramount smashing random stuff together trying too hard to make a big epic event.

 

As much as I can't deny being at least a little bit excited about the film this is always hanging in the back of my mind: they outright admitted they've taken two separate scripts (which we don't even know if those would've resulted in solid individual films) and smooshed them into one, it seems like way too much after a soft reboot, almost like jumping right into Avengers after making Iron Man.

 

I would argue that it's more like making Iron Man and then starting development on Iron Man 2 plus Guardians of the Galaxy then suddenly deciding that Iron Man 2 should also be Guardians of the Galaxy while featuring elements of the old Spiderman movies and also we will have this movie (which is now called Iron Man 2: Galaxy of the Spiders) be written by two writers that have literally never done anything else of note before.

 

A good example is WB jumping straight to Batman v Superman after Man of Steel, instead of expanding on the Superman character in a sequel and establishing a new Batman in a solo movie.

I'm not sure what the benefit of combining these two TF movies is? If you did Transformers and Beast Wars as two separate movies, Paramount could have two series running alongside each other, meaning more money if they're a success. If one failed, you have another movie to fall back on.

If ROTB is not a success, you've not only further damaged the Transformers series but also screwed up Beast Wars.

 

It's simple and I'll state it again. It made more money in China than it did in the US and Canada combined. So....

Yeah, I mean look at how many Spider-Man movies had Avi Arad on it; sometimes we get good Spider-Man movies and sometimes we get bad ones. I always think the directors are the ones who should generally shoulder the most responsibility for a movie.

 

Holy shit he has no idea what he's talking about

 

When did they say that?

 

Best news I’ve heard all week.

 

When the film came out and they were discussing the writer's room and how the scripts for upcoming Transformers projects had been picked. Bay went around the table in the room and grabbed scripts he liked and threw 'em together. That's why you can tell there are two distinct stories being told in TLK. One about Unicron/Quintessa and the other about their past on the planet/knights of the round table. A movie about each story aspect could've worked, clearly, the one merging the two did not.

 

Snake Eyes are getting negative reviews from both critics, audience and GI Joe fans. It's probably going to flop at the box office. I think that franchise is dead and should be kept far removed from Transformers. Because it's gonna drag the TF franchise down if Paramount is planning on that crossover.

 

Thanks for the concern, but Paramount will mantain their freedom to not be smart.