Wait what? She-Ra was awesome!

Anyway, it seems the pattern is "release dvd of previous season to drum up interest in upcoming season". By this business model I DO NOT see WFC getting a DVD and/or blu-ray set, because why sell the full show for $15 -$20 when you can have people pay that much every month?

 

Dude this might be a shocker for you but you literally proved his point by trying to defend it. I loved the OG Beast Wars but he's right. Beast Wars was an attempt at marketing a new line of transformers because Hasbro needed to keep the trade mark. not to mention before Beast Wars began they didn't even use new names for the protagonist and antagonist in the first toys that being bat optimus and alligator megs. it wasn't until Hasbro changed things last minute before the show went into production to make Primal and T-rex megs. You are 100% on the dot with the CGI being expensive but also contradict yourself all in the same sentence. If it was expensive to make why would they make different characters at all and not just keep the main line going? It couldn't have been that expensive if they had a rotatable cast outside of three core characters right? They literally didn't care and were only trying to make a toy line into a show and killed off characters who's toys weren't selling where as war for cyberton didn't do that at all so, so they defiantly care way more about this than Beast Wars LOL.
I'm not even going to talk about this idea of it being a Corporates product since that's what Transformers as a brand is.

Also sorry no every other show that has aired on TV has not had more effort put into them WTF are you talking about, Energon series was a dub from a japan based studio that all they had to do was voice act from a country with high quality control in a lot of their shows, animated was canceled after 2 seasons because they didn't want to pay for the resources to make it moving forward on a line that wasn't making a ton of money in toys and had a relatively small line when you look at it. Prime was the only good one but again didn't last that long but had a ton of toys and now re-issues where as many other lines haven't.

I'm sorry but I have to ask are you one of those G1 purists where if it isn't G1 (or something from the past that isn't the current line or show) than it isn't good because that is what your post sounds like.

The Last point is completely irrelevant because this is meant for Braindead 4-6 year olds who just want to watch Big truck thing transformer and car with no voice go brr where as the other shows although aimed at kids are by a completely separate brand and studio. Netflix will throw money at something and none at others this is one of those cases where TF WFC didn't get as much as it should have but it still is decent overall for a more gritty take on what war actually does on a planetary scale.

 

Castlevania is a great series indeed, can't speak for She-Ra, haven't watched it (since I didn't really like how it looked) but, speaking as someone who loved the first two seasons of Voltron, Voltron ended-up being a terrible series that got worse with each new season, an incredible waste of potential and an even bigger failure than The Legend of Korra (which ended-up being fine, just not as good as the original Avatar).

 

While I wouldn’t go as far as to describe it as awesome, I enjoyed She-Ra as well. I have some criticisms of the show but “He-Man is absent” is not on the list.

 

Thinking about it now even if I know I'm gonna hate this I'll watch it anyways. I can't get enough of stupidly edgy, dark brooding everyone in Siege and Earthrise. It's truly like a train wreck you can't look away from. I'm on vacation starting today so this will be a perfect bad show to binge, haha.

Only in Fantasy Land is "WAHHHH stop liking what I H8!!" an effective argument. But since these people don't live on reality they don't have a concept in what makes good arguments.  

 

You can tell a good story in 6 episodes, though. It's technically 6x22min = 132min. That's the length of The Lion King (128min), How to Train Your Dragon (138min) or Muppet Treasure Island (100min). The pacing in animation is usually faster than in movies, so having 1.5h should be enough. It's only a matter of planning it out.

 

Yeah, of course BW and every other Transformer show has tried to sell toys. We have an entire page called “to sell toys” on TF Wiki for a reason. So what? BW’s creative staff gave more effort and love in one episode than any of these stupid online shows have in the entire run.

No, I’m not a G1 purist or a whatever purist. I just want a quality Transformers show that actually tries. The word “decent” doesn’t apply to anything in these excuses for shows.

Everybody can like what they like, but when you’re claiming something like this is decent, let me quote Timon: “lady, have you got YOUR lions crossed.”

 

I don't know if you saw, but they updated their original comment saying they are being objective and are not judging the show by whether they like it or not... And then still didn't explain why it was bad. Lol

Anyway, I'm crazy excited about Kingdom and despite it's slow lace I have really enjoyed the other two seasons. Mostly because I love Elita. Is she in Kingdom?

 

I'm still mad about how dirty they did my boy Lance in that show.

 

Ok I see your point but even when I go back and watch some of the old Beast Wars era stuff Yes this is a "decent" show I remember always liking the show and it being a good show but looking back they killed off a ton of characters for no reason Like Dinobot, Transmute, Skorponok, etc.. All of the characters that I care about in WFC have lived and have had an active role in the shows story. I'm more of a realists though and tend to like more gritty dark takes on Transformers and I will concede to that fact when talking about this. But the creative team did a good job with Megs and explaining the deception cause as a whole along with doing a good job at giving more obscure characters a chance to succeed and sell, the way they did the autobots is a little bad but no where near as bad as animated' s take on a more fascist and all controlling regime where only few elites could even work as a higher up and they were so easily corrupted and persuade and I like animated as a cartoon series. They created a whole new faction unrelated to autobots or deceptions.
BW's Creative staff was whatever Hasbro told them to do and then the main story of the episode. Creativity was very limited back then compared to now. No way in the 9 circles of Hell would Hasbro allow this dark a take on Transformers 15 years ago that would also be marketed towards kids. The only argument you could make is the Bayverse movies which I would concede on but even then those were marketed way more to the adult audience than the kids. If you do make that argument I will concede though in good fashion as it is a fair point. This is probably the last time we will see G1 inspired for some time outside the masterpiece line but definitely not the Beast Wars stuff. I also love the shifting of goal post by the way real smooth where it went from the CGI argument to the creativity argument.

 

Now I haven’t seen the show yet, but based on OP’s descriptions, it sounds like it will be about the same as the other two. When OP spoke about the upgrade needed for if there is ever another generations based series, that got me thinking myself. In fact, I made a diagram to illustrate my thoughts.


Judging by the (slight) increase in quality from Prime Wars to Netflix WFC, someone who is optimistic would hope that there would be another increase in quality for a hypothetical next show (Whether or not you think there actually will be an increase in quality is a whole other argument. Personally I’m feeling a bit doomer-ish about the future of all transformers media).

Regardless, I personally feel that by whatever metric you would use to describe the increase in quality from Prime Wars to Netflix WFC, that increase needs to at least double for the next show in order to be considered good. And even then, I feel like it would be more of an “ok” than actually good.

 

Hasbro didn't change anything "last minute." The toys were all done and in production by the time the show started. Originally the decision was to have Primal and Megatron upgrade mid-season into their ultra bodies, but CGI costs (specifically the inability to convincingly render water for Cros Megs) had them "skip" to the Ultra toys. That's why Primal inexplicably flies, because this ability was already worked into much of the story outlines. (quite a few early season 1 plots revolve around Primal as the sole flier)

How can you have watched BW and think for a second either Dinobot or Transmutate were killed 'for no reason?" Dinobot's entire character arch culminated in his sacrifice, and Transmutate's entire message was about the cruelness and destructiveness of fear and hatred, and the death of innocence.

Did it? Because despite this show ostensibly being the origin of the war... we still don't see that uprising or initial conflict, and the reasons given are vague and not shown or explained.

The TFA Autobots weren't fascists. Sentinel Prime was an extremist and elitist, but the Autobot council weren't easily corrupted at all. If they were there'd be no point in characters like Shockwave going under cover. They were depicted as morally grey in their methods, but only due to the horrific nature of the war pushing them to the brink of extinction. They were also xenophobic to organics, but that's not exactly without precedent given how poorly their race tended to interact with them.

You mean the Mercenary faction that does nothing and has no real importance at all?

Are you kidding me? BW's entire story deviated completely from the original pitch as a direct continuation of G1. Optimus Primal and Beast Megatron being different characters from the original leaders is entirely a creative decision by the BW writers and not a mandate from Hasbro at all. This is well-documented and the writers had ample creative freedom.

Beast Machines says hi. That was twenty-two years ago. Also "darkness" doesn't mean shit, as shown with Transformers Prime which killed off characters left and right for vapid reasons.

Why would you think this at all? G1 has been the gravy train for a while now, and even the movies are doubling down on the G1 flavour. G1 isn't going anywhere, and I'm sure we'll have more media with G1 designs in non-G1 stories/tone like this again.

Honestly you're so factually wrong about so much I don't blame him for misconstruing the topic. Your argument is honestly hard to make heads or tails of.

 

Truly “amazing” voice acting from BW Megs
https://www.geekcastradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Kingdom-Megatron.mp3

 

Maximum cringe.

 

You gotta be fucking kidding me.

 

This gives me diarrhea.

 

NGL, even if I wasn't even much of a BW fan, that voice acting was just... why!?? Would it be ridiculous that I've heard yaoi audiobooks that have better and more professional voice-acting, than whatever this is?

 

Yeah, screw actual talent and hiring people in unions because screw workers rights, it's all about the money. Hire Joe Schmoe from the streets to save a few bucks!

Love this! Glad I never wasted my time with this series.

 

... I thought that was Scorponok talking to BW Megatron and was waiting for Megs to talk... until he said "Decepticon" and "my namesake". Oh boy.

 

Yeah that was about my thoughts.


Anyway, this talk about BW Megs' voice...Makes me not want to give the clip a listen.
I already skipped Earthrise, I'll probably not be watching this one either.