Netflix plans a He-Man cartoon

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  1. Dead Metal

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    How expensive is a month of Netflix in your country if it means either that or paying for all the things you listed? Holy shit.
     
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    Yikes. These early reviews are terrible. I’m more interested in the toys but honestly considering sticking with origins if the master verse line crumbles with the show. I’ll wait a couple weeks I guess.
     
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    Well... people are also mad about Star Wars and Zack Snyder’s Superman.

    So go figure.
     
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    So anyone taking bets on when this thread will turn into chaos
     
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    Friday when the episodes drop. That is also when the spoiler reviews are allowed come out and people can say what all the issues are without the studio going after them.
     
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    Cant say we didn’t see this coming. Tons of rumors eluding to this exact information.

    Producer comes out and adamantly denies it, huge crowd of fans argues against anyone supporting the rumors.

    and..

    now entertainment weekly posts an article confirming everything. Oh well. I’ll still watch it I guess
     
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    So from what I understand, Teela feels betrayed because her dad and best friends Adam and Orko never told her Adam is He-Man... Okay, I can understand that it'd be similar to when in that TNBA episode Jim Gordon finds out Batgirl was his daughter, feeling lied to and not trusted isn't nice.
    How she goes from there to hating all magic, abandoning her new role as (Wo)man-at-Arms, leaving her king, and only reluctantly rejoining the Masters to save all of Eternia, I cannot see. I mean surely she would understand that it was the Sorceress' decree that nobody else would be told other than those who knew? This seems like CW Flash/Arrow levels of dumb drama.

    What other shows did Powerhouse do? I thought the other Netflix anime were, well, animated in Japan.

    I never said it was grimdark, that was some argument you heard from some other person. I am saying it wasn't humorous on the levels of say, RID or Animated.
    Ernie Hudson was Fowler? I never knew. He just sounded so generic.
    Honestly my problems with Prime lied more with the minimal budget (1995, it was OK to kill off characters in BW to make room for more, CGI was expensive... 2010, not so much) and the tone deaf nature I just described above. It followed brutal scenes with comedy or vice versa. And yes, I disliked that in BW too. It takes away from Dinobot's heroic sacrifice that in the same episode, Waspinator dies in a comedic yet extremely more fatal way, yet he just comes back the next episode while Dinobot stays dead.
    And lastly, their utter reluctance to ever change the status quo. Whenever something interesting happened that would have changed things to be more nuanced, they quickly hit the reset button. Skyquake arrives? Nope, dies right away. Silas returns as zombie Breakdown? Nope, dies right away. Dreadwing turns against Megatron, maybe he could join the autobots? Nope, stupidly denies and gets killed. Airarchnid raises a zombie army? Nope, gets dumped in space, never seen again. Optimus may die and Smokescreen could be the next Prime? No, he just uses the Matrix to heal Optimus...
    Prime was the show of missed goals in my eyes. But let's not veer off topic anymore.

    Yes, as Tekkaman Blade explained. Basically, same as how the "normie" fans who vaguely remember watching Transformers G1 were estatic about Bayformers, then about Prime Wars and recently the Rooster Teeth Netflix show, saying it is amazing and just like their childhood. They barely know or remember the franchise, last saw it as kids, and they like it for being more mature and using designs they recognize. The same people will write 10/10 reviews of this new MOTU show on IMDB too.
    You are clearly not a normie. Normies would never register here and would not know about a new Transformers/MOTU show coming, their first news would be when they say the Netflix blurb as they turn it on to watch some reality TV or soap opera and then go "heeeey I saw this show as a kid"
     
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    Powerhouse did Castlevania and Blood of Zeus and are US based. In Texas I think.
     
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    So early reviews make this show sound bad.
    &
    Early reviews for this show are great and Clownfish is bad.

    Surely both positions can’t be true.
     
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    Castlevania
    Seis manos
    Blood of Zeus
    Ok Ko

    It works just like back in the 80's the storyboards, voice acting and plot is all done in the states.
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    They then send it over to a foreign country to get another studio to do the actual animation. Usually Japan, Korea or India.
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    Batman the animated series had multiple different foreign studios working on different episodes often at the same time so they could meet production deadlines and do a weekly series.

    The World's Finest - Batman: The Animated Series
     
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    That's weird then. Castlevania and Blood of Zeus looks totally like anime. But apparently Powerhouse is american.
    They should have the real studio who does the animation credited too in this case, because each of these shows looks totally different, especially OK KO.

    Your take is wrong, then, because you missed the part where ClownFishTV actually have a real source who provided them with some insider information about the plot... which after checking the spoiler reviews, turned out to be 100% true about certain points.
    They are of course outrage outlets and they are blowing it out of proportions, because that's what they do, but it does not change that in this case, they have been right.

    That's Andra, and some of the reviews like the one Tekkeman Blade linked did confirm that they seem to be a couple, even if it is not told us outright.

    That's be OK if this was Transformers or GI Joe which is about large groups of characters and not named after one main character.
    But sidelining the main characters here would be like if you tuned into a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles show and you would have 70% of it be about April, Casey Jones and some businessman working for the Foot (so a lot like the recent live action movies...)

    Yeah, that one is true, even if we end up hating it, if enough people like it more money will flow to Mattel and that means more MOTU products later.
    Frankly at this point I am more interested in the upcoming CGI MOTU show, but information on that is scarce.
     
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    Well lets take the old G.I. Joe show the storyboards were usually done by Marvel Productions.
    Sunbow was the american studio that handled the voice acting and the writing or episode plots.
    But all the actual animation was usually done out of Toei in japan.

    Toei did a lot of the saturday morning and week day shows in the 80's
    Gi Joe, Muppet Babies, Transformers, My little Pony, TMNT, Real Ghostbusters, Dragon Ball Z, Sailor moon, hell the list is too long to list.
    Toei Animation - Wikipedia

    In the case of Powerhouse their Blood of Zeus series for instance was actually animated by Mua Film a Korean animation company. Not sure who is doing He-man's animation but it will be revealed when the episodes drop Friday in the credits.
     
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    I think that’s a terrible a comparison. For instance MOTU Classics released about 340? characters. I am actually not sure on the total number buts it’s 100s of figures. The and....ThE MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE is sort of important to the brand.

    So I can understand a casual fan thinking it’s about “He-Man” but the franchise has a much bigger mythos around it than just He-Man. Teela has always been a central figure to MOTU. So if you want to use a TMNT analogy it’s more like a focusing on Donatello. Teela, Sorceress, Man-AT-Arms have been central parts of every incarnation (except NA which sucks on every level). It seems like all of a sudden. a lot if casual fans who aren’t really familiar with the franchise have strong opinions about it.
     
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    I'm not going to make any assumptions about the person you're quoting's familiarity with the brand, but that does seem to be a thing I've noticed since Revelations was first announced.

    At this point, I'm just waiting to watch these first five episodes on Friday before I make up my mind on how I feel about the direction of the show. I've got opinions on what I expect to see based on what we know so far but who knows how it'll actually be handled. I'm hoping to be entertained at the very least and even if I don't like it I do hope there's momentum here so that Mattel and MOTU get a nice influx of cash similar to what the Bay films did for Transformers.
     
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    I'm not so sure I missed that part as much as you're literally describing the content of my post. I understand they claim to have a "real source" with "insider information" and I'm calling bullshit on it because they haven't proven anything specific outside of what can be reasonably extrapolated from the original synopsis and other publicly released statements.
     
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    I'm actually ok with He-Man being sidelined for a while. (they've already shown him being awesome, so that's one box ticked) I like to see other characters take the limelight too, and see them develop.

    I don't think I'm too bothered about Teela being the focus, either, but does she look a bit miserable to anyone else?

    It would be interesting to see the series evolve - as long it doesn't go all weird on us.
     
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    I've thought about this-- the "problem" with He-Man is that most of the time he can solve any crisis through sheer brute force. He's designed to be the most powerful character on the show, so it breaks the show if he's not front and center dealing with every crisis. That makes sense but it also makes for a dull show if all you ever need is for He-Man to show up and break everyone's skulls. Why even have anyone else around? The only time He-Man actually needs help is if there is a technology or magic related crisis--- or if he can't become He-Man.

    So He-Man is a lot like Professor X or Odin. Way too powerful and you have to create excuses for why these characters can't just show up and solve every crisis in five minutes. The audience sometimes just has to pretend Xavier or Odin are too busy or too weak to show up and help. But you can't really do that with He-Man. So what do you do?

    He-Man would be more interesting if the ensemble aspect was stronger but that would require reworking the premise of the show and He-Man's character. Look at something like Luke Skywalker or Captain Picard as examples of main characters who actually can't function without their supporting casts. I think He-Man needs to be more like Luke/Picard and less like Odin.

    But why even bring this up? Because its called "Masters of the Universe" and there is a huge cast of interesting characters that are underutilized. If every episode is He-Man saying, "Hello Guest Hero, please do this one thing you are good at and then you can exit," it wouldn't hold our attention. Yeah, that worked in the 80s but not now.

    So that's the conundrum with He-Man (as I see it.) We'll see if Smith created a satisfactory solution/balance to this. You guys are saying the reviews have been negative though. It makes me wonder what were the flaws these reviewers saw in the show. I mean, at this point, the "worst thing" that could happen is I get bored with the show and just watch it sporadically over the period of a week.
     
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    I wasn’t referring to his familiarity with the show. Just in general. I am cautiously optimistic on the show because I like the universe. I guess I’ll find out tomorrow.
     
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    One of the biggest complaints in a lot of them is no strong protagonist, apparently Teela is a bit hard to root for, something about her personality or the way she is written, isn't working for some reviewers.

    ""Oddly, He-Man (Chris Wood) and Skeletor (Mark Hamill) are the weak spots, as they continue to speak in belabored puns and scene-chewing pronouncements (although one quick aside from Skeletor implies that at least he’s aware he’s putting on an act). Teela (Sarah Michelle Gellar) has a surprisingly prominent role, while newcomer Andra (Tiffany Smith), who only appeared in the comic, mostly functions as the peanut gallery. But unlike this Orko and Evil-Lyn, Teela never really opens up as a character; that’s primarily because it’s unclear how the impetus for her character’s journey really affects her, which is made even more confusing in the fourth and fifth episodes."""


    They are saying if your not a fan of the old series you may get lost as to what is going on and if you are a fan you may not like all the changes after the time jump. The narrative meanders or gets confusing in places. Feels like parts were written to upset or take shots at people. Some good elements, but not as good as Powerhouse Animation's other shows

    Again just from reading reviews, I have not seen it yet so not my opinion.
     
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    Huh, interesting. I'm really curious to see how Teela is portrayed. Sometimes an unlikable (but heroic) protagonist works and sometimes it doesn't. It will also be hilarious to hear Sarah Michelle Gellar's voice and not like the character. I'm personally less worried about characterization though and more worried about the plot getting stretched out. We'll see...
     
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